David tetro Posted October 9, 2016 Report Share Posted October 9, 2016 German violin ID Hi, everyone, I bought a violin on eBay at 300 euros and I'm not really sure the purchasing was wise , I thought that this violin is be better than the Chinese violin at 300-400 euros and saw that he was no cracks - but the fingerboard detached from the violin, he will have a new bridge and new sound post, also new strings and has already arrived to more than 500 euros after the set up,I want to know what do you think- the usual junk as saying "Jacobsaunders"? Or is it cute German violin that worth the amount of money? on the label - "Johann Uhlrich Fichtl in Mittenwald 1763" - have not found any information about him. Thanks in advance http://www.ebay.com/itm/142143204896?_trksid=p2057872.m2748.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mathieu valde Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I'm afraid we'll hear soon from Mr.Saunders and Bass clef. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavanger Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 It is a cute german violin, but there are so many of them out there that value is low. In this range it is all about sound. If you like it, and it sounds and plays like you want it to, it is not a bad buy. I would also prefer a 100y old german to a new chinese, as long as we are talking about ebay-violins in this price range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkBouquet Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 German violin ID Hi, everyone, I bought a violin on eBay at 300 euros and I'm not really sure the purchasing was wise If you're not really sure, then the purchase was unwise. But now, to quote Clint Eastwood from that "Dirty Harry" movie, "The question you have to ask yourself is, Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya punk?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 A cheap and nasty “Dutzendarbeit” that will need about €800 of work if you wish to make a violin out of it. Buying rubbish on ebay is foolish, and it kind of serves you rightP:S: I hope everybody is satisfied now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Fichtl was a family of good 18th century Mittenwald/austrian makers, as usual this poor box has nothing to do with them. To get it into a halfway playable condition you'll have to invest 2, 3 or 4 times the sum you paid for it (without shipping, taxes, custom fees etc.). After all you'll have an instrument of a very low grade of trade violin, Dutzendarbeit or whatever names were given to it here. Better than a chinese? Edit: Morgen, Jacob - reading MN while breakfast? Edited October 10, 2016 by Blank face Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Edit: Morgen, Jacob - reading MN while breakfast?Yeah, Mahlzeit! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yeah, Mahlzeit! Ebenfalls, danke! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Will it be really evil of me to ask whether it is possible to cancel the deals a few hours after I sent the "Buy Now"?I did not win the auction. This is regular buying.. It is important for me to hear your opinion if it is not good of me I can not cancel the deal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 German and European Union law oblige a business seller (like he obviously is) to accept returns and cancellations for any reason. You can see in the listing that returns are accepted. So it won't do you no harm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
franciscus Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Will it be really evil of me to ask whether it is possible to cancel the deals a few hours after I sent the "Buy Now"? I did not win the auction. This is regular buying.. It is important for me to hear your opinion if it is not good of me I can not cancel the deal If you paid already, you can contact the seller and try to explain that you did change your mind and (kindly) ask for cancellation. If you didn't, you should contact the seller and tell him the same thing (also kindly). If he is reasonable one, he can cancel the transaction. If he insists on payment, you can forget the payment and get the appropriate prize from eBay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, it cant hurt to ask, there is reasonable chance you'll get off the hook. Or you can just keep it and hang it up in your room as reminder. I have to admit that I have a couple of those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank Nichols Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Yes, it cant hurt to ask, there is reasonable chance you'll get off the hook. Or you can just keep it and hang it up in your room as reminder. I have to admit that I have a couple of those. Don't we all Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BassClef Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 For posterity and educational purposes: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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deans Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The more I look at this, we've seen far worse Ebay buys. It at least looks like it could be made into a playable instrument and probably doesn't need any repairs to the body or pegbox. The problem is that even with that, it will cost a lot (Jacobs number is probably in line) just for a new board and basic set up. In the end you will have over 1K in it, and for that amount you could have had a well adjusted and probably better sounding Chinese instrument. But I've seen instruments like this sitting in shops with 1K price tags, well set up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 The question now is what instrument I can buy? , In a local store all the instruments under 500 euros a terrible sound. I played quite a few old instruments in good condition at the same price that sounds much better. Does anyone have a recommendation for me?I thought about the following instruments:http://www.ebay.com/itm/geige-Nr-5-mit-Zettel-Nicolaus-Amati-/232087819656?hash=item3609831588:g:tEkAAOSwwpdW8WOShttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Nr-46-geige-mit-Zettel-seraphin-uhnensis-Venetijia-ann-1742-/331966551074?hash=item4d4abf9422:g:zC8AAOSwezVWvy-O I sent a request to cancel the purchase, the violin has not been sent yet so I hope there will not be a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 How lucky are you? I think they are both in the same ball park as the first, maybe the 499 one is the best of the lot, but you should still count on a couple hundred more for bridge soundpost, other stuff. Do you have a shop that can/will do the set up work? I know its tough when there are no good shops around, I used to be in that situation. Here in the US we used Shar, they did a good job supplying decent equipment to more isolated places. I'm surprised there isn't more in te aviv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 The prices of instruments is very high in all Israel, where there is a high VAT to traders and a lot of taxes.If you go to luthier in Tel Aviv and ask for the most inexpensive violin (made in China), he will ask you to pay NIS 4000-3000 There is a very old luthier in Holon (the periphery of Tel Aviv) that I know through my teacher. he is very cheap in relation to others and doing a great job but - it does not have a studio (he does everything in his house) he can not give receipts and still a lot of good players with expensive musical instruments that I know are going to this person.even local Musical instruments stores send him to violins for set up. He has no instruments for sale - he just doing repairs and making set-up for strings Instruments. So if I find a suitable violin I have this man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deans Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Perhaps you could show these pics to that guy, ask him for advice, especially since he will be the one that has to make it work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'll have to miss work and go specifically to Holon. I can not send him in whatsapp because is not holding a smartphone, he did not even know what is a smartphone I thought to get help here but if this is not possible I will go to him and show him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
palousian Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 This might be an entirely ridiculous suggestion, but given the apparent premium cost of buying a violin in Israel...would it be possible to take a flight to, I don't know, Vienna, and go to a real violin shop (or six) and play some violins and get something that works for you and go back home? You get a nice visit to a musically-important city, eat some awesome food, say hello to Jacob Saunders, and get a violin that you choose by actually playing it. I wonder if the cost of the trip would be about the same as the extra you'd pay at home, but you'd have a real selection. And all those amazing pastries... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
franciscus Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 The question now is what instrument I can buy? , In a local store all the instruments under 500 euros a terrible sound. I played quite a few old instruments in good condition at the same price that sounds much better. Does anyone have a recommendation for me? I thought about the following instruments: http://www.ebay.com/itm/geige-Nr-5-mit-Zettel-Nicolaus-Amati-/232087819656?hash=item3609831588:g:tEkAAOSwwpdW8WOS http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nr-46-geige-mit-Zettel-seraphin-uhnensis-Venetijia-ann-1742-/331966551074?hash=item4d4abf9422:g:zC8AAOSwezVWvy-O I sent a request to cancel the purchase, the violin has not been sent yet so I hope there will not be a problem. Both listings came from the same seller and in both I found "ships to Germany", so I am not sure that you can buy one of them, taking into account that you are not living there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Both listings came from the same seller and in both I found "ships to Germany", so I am not sure that you can buy one of them, taking into account that you are not living there. There is an option to ask the seller about shipping to Israel because it offers international shipping. Delivery will cost me 35 euros Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David tetro Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 This might be an entirely ridiculous suggestion, but given the apparent premium cost of buying a violin in Israel...would it be possible to take a flight to, I don't know, Vienna, and go to a real violin shop (or six) and play some violins and get something that works for you and go back home? You get a nice visit to a musically-important city, eat some awesome food, say hello to Jacob Saunders, and get a violin that you choose by actually playing it. I wonder if the cost of the trip would be about the same as the extra you'd pay at home, but you'd have a real selection. And all those amazing pastries... That's what I did with my violin bow. I was on vacation in Italy and I checked a lot of violin bows after I could not find anything matches to my budget is israel. I bought a fantastic bow from a man named walter Barbiero The violin bow cost me 2500 euros When I came to Israel everyone told me that this kind of bow is sold in Israel for at least 3500 Euros http://www.walterbarbiero.com/joomla/it/archi/moderno/violino * I bought a silver mounted, not gold.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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