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Still looking for my cello... Probably junk? But just to be sure...

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Hi everyone,

 

I'm still hunting diligently for the right cello for me and I'm really grateful for so much advice and insight - it's saved me A LOT of money. Really. So thanks.

Now I have two more cello options that I"m curious if anyone can chime in on... So far I have learned a lot here - especially that you get what you pay for most of the time. At the price, I imagine the seller isn't crazy so these probably aren't great instruments.

 

Nevertheless, the price is low and they look superficially nice (to me). Anyone have any strong opinions?

 

This one looks ok, but I think maybe there is a crack visible in the upper right side of the picture? 

http://www.ebay.de/itm/breites-Model-Rotlich-selten-Cello-Celli-Korpus-74-7cm-/142140316705?hash=item2118391c21

 

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Cello-Celli-Deckenmensur-69cmschwingende-Saitenlange-/142140316711?hash=item2118391c27:g:JK4AAOSwRQlXcopo

 

Maybe they are brand new and antiqued Chinese cellos? 

 

Is there something unusual about the dimensions?

 

Thanks a lot again!

 

Ash

 

PS Someday I want to learn about working on cellos so maybe then I can be a much more interested contributor. How to get into that as a hobby I'm not so sure though.

 

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One observation I have on my own - 

On the second one, in the last picture of the body, it seems that there is asymmetry in the back and that the little back circle, which I know has some purpose if it were really there, is off center. This means it was added for aesthetics? 

 

EDIT again: One more bit of info... This guy has been posting and re-posting at least the red cello, so nobody is taking the bait so far, which is also concerning. 

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I haven't looked at them in detail but these are perfectly normal new cellos made in Reghin - there's no claim that they are old, though they are described as "used" presumably to avoid people sending them back because there's a tiny scratch under the fingerboard. They aren't the best that Reghin has to offer by a long chalk, but soundwise they can be good.

Most likely the set-ups are quick and cheap like the strings.

Re black circles - I think you are talking about the pins (probably purely cosmetic). They would only be central if the back was one-piece - which isn't all that common on cellos! But these aren't real pins, or if they're real they don't have a function, just a form of decoration. These instruments are all made on an outside mold, so pins would not be necessary.

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Is 700 EUR worth the risk for the first one I linked (the red one).

No. You should buy a new Roumanian Cello directly from a Roumainian new cello maker and not from Ebay. Also, don’t be surprised if your local violin maker quotes you €500ish to do re-shoot fingerboard, new nut, (you probably won’t get that one off in one lump), prob. Refit pegs, new post and Bridge, good strings and whatever else. Further, the fholes look a bit high up on the belly, so I wonder if the belly „Mensur“ is at 40cm ish.

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I understand string instruments are so complicated because they are so unique one to another, in comparison to other instruments (e.g. one could see a Mark VI tenor sax and be pretty sure they'd get what they expect). 

 

I wonder if anyone has ever successfully bought a decent "learning" instrument on eBay?

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Unless you're experienced with setting instruments up and correcting defects, why not buy an instrument that you or your teacher can test play? Find a reputable friendly string dealer specialist near you.

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Rather that roll the dice on eBay, why not rent a cello from a reputable local dealer and get to know the cello and luthier before making a decision. Most allow part or all of the rental to be applied to the eventual purchase, and most also allow you to upgrade to ma better cello at purchase time. That is how I got mine, I rented an $1100 USD cello for a few months until I was sure I wanted to learn, then purchased a $5000 cello from the dealer/luthier. I could have gone on renting for a year or two if I wasn't sure. I like the flexibility.

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I don't think buying online is guaranteed to give bad results, but you have to know waht you are doing. Rule number one is that you should never buy anything that looks weird. Although the woodwork looks ok on these two, they have decidedly non-standard models. The first one is very broad, possibly montagnana ispired or something. Such a broad cello may or may not give you problems if the projection of the neck is not properly designed for it, because then you will have problems with bow clearance. The second model is terribly ugly, in spite of broad lower and especially upper bouts, the c bout area is rather slender. uglyuglyugly. Stay away!

 

If you have to buy online, try Yitamusic. For someting like 1100 Euro, you will get a decent instrument (only buy "best"-type instruments!). (Don't forget that you will have to pay import tax!) It will however need a proper bridge, sound post, tail piece, strings and a little adjustment of the fingerboard. Prepare to invest another 600~800 Euros for that. On the whole, for a little over 2000 Euros, you can get an ok beginners cello like this. But you will still need a proper bow (bow is no good) and case for it. So in the end, I think it is best to save the hassle and visit some lutiers shops and shell out 3000 for a complete package, it is worth the peace of mind, and being able to choose by playing.

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