saintjohnbarleycorn Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bjm7qLpabA&feature=youtu.be here is that tag under the video A short film featuring the violin maker James Reynold Carlisle. Watch out for the young Rembert Wurlitzer, who was one of Carlisle's pupils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Tucker Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Thanks saintjohn - Really cool video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Colley Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Can anyone expand a little on that plate tuning method with the sand? Enjoyed it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjohnbarleycorn Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DdyUGUlv3s at about 6:11 is a worth a thousand words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle duke Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Can anyone expand a little on that plate tuning method with the sand? Enjoyed it all I'd think that would be the finished product. I used saw dust when I tried that once. I'd probably still do it if I had a low buck bow to use for that but tried a homemade bow instead using dacron strands - didn't work as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Can anyone expand a little on that plate tuning method with the sand? Enjoyed it all Chladni pattern plate tuning. In the video, he's using a bow to excite the M2 plate mode. Most folks today would use a loudspeaker and a signal generator if they wanted to do that kind of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Tucker Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Chladni pattern plate tuning. In the video, he's using a bow to excite the M2 plate mode. Most folks today would use a loudspeaker and a signal generator if they wanted to do that kind of thing. Thereby also exciting other modes - correct? I spoke with Carleen Hutchins quite extensively, many years ago, (via phone) about this very topic.She was very honest and forthright woman. Still, on the other hand, I spoke with many other makers and players along the way also, as I had slightly different opinions about how we came to make the instrument voice exactly what we'd like to hear, and why and how the corpus worked. Pretty much everyone else I spoke with (oh - those many eons ago) who had experience with her instruments - found them "wanting"... tone-wise - sometimes in the extreme. ?? Unfortunately I never got to hear or play one of hers, for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Tucker Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Excuse me, if I remember incorrectly, but I have always associated 'modal pattern plate tuning' with Hutchins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Seen it before, very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berl Mendenhall Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 My friend Bruce Babbitt had that video made. One of Carlisle's family had a 33mm movie and Bruce had it converted into a video disk. I believe I'm right in saying this, it's the earliest recording of a violin maker. It's before talking movies. Kind of cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will L Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Berl, Who was Bruce Babbitt? That names sounds very familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 Pretty much everyone else I spoke with (oh - those many eons ago) who had experience with her instruments - found them "wanting"... tone-wise - sometimes in the extreme. Nobody picked on how they looked like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobinson Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 The joys of copyright - it is blocked from playing in Australia. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berl Mendenhall Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 It's not was Bruce Babbitt, I'm pretty sure he's still here. He's a wholesale violin dealer. He just published a book on German violins. He's been around the business for fourth years. He deals wholesale only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjohnbarleycorn Posted July 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 The joys of copyright - it is blocked from playing in Australia. Tim I would have thought that copyright expired ! too bad I can't email it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Violin Beautiful Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 I love the scene with the monster bandsaw next to the stash of violin wood. Definitely a great view into the American shops at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Spear Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 As a luthier and a student of Carleen Hutchins, I was amazed at what this filmed showed regarding what we now call "free-plate tuning." Like many "discoveries," we find out that much more was known much earlier than we believed. Since the first motion pictures with sound appeared in the 1920s, and this film was "approved" by the National Board of (Movie) Review, formed in 1909, we can pretty well determine when the film was produced. The major free-plate modes of a violin (1, 2, and 5) can all be excited by bowing. No electricity or special equipment needed. Seeing it in the film shows unarguably that this form of plate tuning has been used for at least a century, and probably even longer, in the shops of violin makers and out of the realm of scientific hypothesis. Seeing that Rembert Wurlitzer was a student in Carlisle's shop goes a long way toward explaining why Hutchins received a friendly welcome at Wurlitzer's 40 years later. Wurlitzer already knew about the process and probably appreciated its value. Now, all we have to do is find out the name of Carlisle's teacher! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Allen Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 The joys of copyright - it is blocked from playing in Australia.Tim You can change either your IP or you can set your browser to proxy via a bevy of extension options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Allen Posted July 18, 2016 Report Share Posted July 18, 2016 You can download the "Hola" extension. It acts as a VPN proxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobinson Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 You can download the "Hola" extension. It acts as a VPN proxy. Thanks, I'll give that a try. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pate Bliss Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 Seeing that Rembert Wurlitzer was a student in Carlisle's shop goes a long way toward explaining why Hutchins received a friendly welcome at Wurlitzer's 40 years later. Wurlitzer already knew about the process and probably appreciated its value. Now, all we have to do is find out the name of Carlisle's teacher! I think I remember from one of the old directories that he was initially self-taught, from Ashland, Ky. I think his formal training came from being employed at Wurlitzer in Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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