chrissweden Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thoughts on what this might be? It's for sale on the internet but I have no means of buying it so this topic is for origin speculation only. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akaBobH Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The profile photos obfuscate too much to even consider bidding...arching seems to be very high, neck angle and over stand hard to determine.Upper corner of the bass c-bout is a red flag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I wouldn't think it appropriate to comment on a violin like this without knowing who the seller was, and what they said the violin was ...Very pretty instrument. I have no idea what the previous poster's concerns are, but it sounds like he would never buy a Gennaro Gagliano! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlesurgeon Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 At the bare minimum, looks like the E string peg hole needs re-bushed. Nice bridge. What is it, no clue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chrissweden Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Seller states (according to written statement) that it's Italian second half 18th century. I actually tend to agree with this. My first impression was Carcassi but the more I look at it the more I deviate from this and am clueless on what it might be.. I can't even identify a region or school. The price is low €1x.xxx which seems cheap if it's really an Italian 18th century instrument in this condition... too good to be true? akaBobH I don't see any red flags nor problems with the upper c corner, please clarify. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nathan slobodkin Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Nice fiddle. Awfully hard for me to see much from photos but arching doesn't look square enough for Florence. Interesting look to the scroll heel with the basically round shape but somewhat squared off fluting. Is that just wear or something deliberate? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Cause I don't have any clue the naive question is, does the seller bring any certificate from a serious expert to give evidence that it's italian and 18th century, and not from elsewhere? BTW, the varnish appears to be extremely hard and shining (shellac?) and there's probably a heavy touch-up at the bottom joint (5th photo), the chamfers at pegbox' back look like artificially rounded, not naturally - what ever this means. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 It is certified (1967) by a French violin-maker who had no particular reputation as an expert. He says it's of the Italian school or possibly some kind of expatriate Italian. Personally it looks to me rather like the sort of violin which isn't really a Bairhoff! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Personally it looks to me rather like the sort of violin which isn't really a Bairhoff! Fratelli Fiscer Alla Balla? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jacobsaunders Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Reminds me of a Kempter from Dillingen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 "KEMPTER, Andreas Born 1701 Lechbruck, Allgäu, died 1786 Denklingen, Landsberg Germany. His name appears in the records of Füssen, where he was probably apprenticed. Active in Dillingen from 1725." http://www.amati.com/maker/kempter-andreas Just as you name it, the ffs are typical Füssen "diaspora", I should have seen it before . Would be a rare thing. Overcoated? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Violadamore Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Going by the more obvious indicators one can see by zooming and manipulating the downloaded images (BOB corners, scroll fluted completely in front, flutes lack "delta" in back, grafted scroll, center joint in lower bout rib [which could always be a repair], "bloated" arching, signs of being played w/o a chinrest, etc.), plus Jacob's expert opinion, looks to me like some older South German production with an interesting mixture of traits. IMHO, not Italian, but not rubbish, either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
martin swan Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just as you name it, the ffs are typical Füssen "diaspora", I should have seen it before . Would be a rare thing. Exactly what I meant by something that's not really a Bairhoff ie. very pretty Fuessen instrument that you might wish into being Italian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chrissweden Posted April 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Can we see a Füssen example that looks like this violin? It actually remind me of a violin we discussed here a couple of years ago that was on ebay and had a hill certificate saying it to be albani but it obviously wasn't, then one was in Holland even prettier, too bad I can't find the topic any more.. Nvm, found it: http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/330132-m-albani/?hl=albani I guess estimate of 10-12 is hefty for a Füssen violin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blank face Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 I guess estimate of 10-12 is hefty for a Füssen violin Not as "retail" for a well preserved mid 18th Füssen, I'm supposing. Can't see why it suddenly should be devaluated, only for turning from a questionable "italian" into a rare south german masterpiece. Or is it myth and illusion only what you're gonna pay for? For another example, look at Jacob's Ott http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/330865-early-f%C3%BCssen-makers-johannes-ott/?hl=%2Bott+%2Bf%C3%BCssen Possibly the scroll of the OP is manipulated in some way to Italianize it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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