~ Ben Conover Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Haha, well I really couldn't face making a Messie form...there must be thousands. So I made a cross breed template and form, length of Messie with girth of Viotti. Think I'll name her 'Motti'.
Evan Smith Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 'Motti' is nice, it has a sweet ring about it.
Davide Sora Posted January 17, 2016 Report Posted January 17, 2016 Haha, well I really couldn't face making a Messie form...there must be thousands. So I made a cross breed template and form, length of Messie with girth of Viotti. Think I'll name her 'Motti'. So you have hybridized form PG with form G. Me too, one of my preferred and most successful form. Fortunately, the Cremonese form and method allows a lot of freedom of action, so I'm sure we can avoid making violins too similar......
Addie Posted January 18, 2016 Report Posted January 18, 2016 Addie, I have a honey do for you. Would you please put both of the blocks on one side of the Forma P? Nope. I'm trying to record the forms as accurately as possible. That means the existing corners are in their intended places. Anything else would be an interpretation, which is not my purpose.But maybe look for a PM in a few days.
Jim Bress Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Addie, Just curious. How are you deriving these Forms? They also appear (from casual observation) to be perfectly symmetrical. How are you making your choices on which side to duplicate. I'm asking to learn, and thanks for the drawings, they are great. Cheers, Jim
Addie Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 The high quality images were supplied "privately." The side depends on the image. The "P 1705" is the under, or "fondo" side, BTW. They are definitely not symmetrical: see the appropriate files I have posted showing the asymmetry.
Jim Bress Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Ah, another one of those "-.. . .-.. / --. . ... --- / -.-. --- -.. ." things.
Addie Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Ah, another one of those "-.. . .-.. / --. . ... --- / -.-. --- -.. ." things. No, actually, - .... .. ... / .. ... / .-. . .- .-.. / .-.. .. ..-. . morse.mp3
Jim Bress Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 .--- ..- ... - / .... .- ...- .. -. --. / ..-. ..- -. .-.-.- / .. .----. -- / .... .- .--. .--. -.-- / .-- .. - .... / .- -. -.-- - .... .. -. --. / .--. . --- .--. .-.. . / .- .-. . / .- -... .-.. . / - --- / ... .... .- .-. . .-.-.- Just having fun. I'm happy with anything people are able to share.
Addie Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 I'm currently able to share the SL 1691. Please note the lower bout width. With the other measurements from the English ed. of Sacconi, only 194mm worked for the lower bouts, not the 195.5. 194mm is the width published in the Italian edition. The Radii are my direct measurements. Also noteworthy: if you simply scaled the G on the horizontal axis, you would not get the SL. The curves of the upper and lower bouts are tighter (rounder), and the block corners further out (wider) on the SL, compared with a squashed G. Forma SL 1691 Legal.pdf Forma SL 1691 A4-1.pdf Forma SL 1691 A4-2.pdf Forma SL Aymmetry.pdf
Peter K-G Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Addie, This is fantastic work, many, many thanks! I have downloaded all your recent drawings, they are superb. Peter
Addie Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Addie, This is fantastic work, many, many thanks! I have downloaded all your recent drawings, they are superb. Peter Never mind that... which one should I do next?
~ Ben Conover Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Addie, I'd like to see all your scale drawings & stuff in a big book. Would be eggsellent workshop reference. As it is I'll try to get them all printed out and organized into a file. Thanks.
Addie Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Because of the Musée de la Musique cello form, it's going to be a LARGE format book.
Húslař Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Because of the Musée de la Musique cello form, it's going to be a LARGE format book. And would You share with us Your drawings of these forms? (I think that there are forms of small violoncello, some viola da gamba, cornerless violin, viola d´amore and guitar)
Davide Sora Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 I'm currently able to share the SL 1691. Please note the lower bout width. With the other measurements from the English ed. of Sacconi, only 194mm worked for the lower bouts, not the 195.5. 194mm is the width published in the Italian edition. The Radii are my direct measurements. Also noteworthy: if you simply scaled the G on the horizontal axis, you would not get the SL. The curves of the upper and lower bouts are tighter (rounder), and the block corners further out (wider) on the SL, compared with a squashed G. Where did you get the measurements for the form SL? Those that I have are different. Pollens : 348 - 154 - 99 - 193 Denis : 349.2 - 154.4 - 99.2 - 193.5 Sacconi : 350 - 153 - 100 - 194 (italian edition)
Addie Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 The English edition of Sacconi has, page 195, 350mm, 195.5mm, 154.5mm, 100mm. Using 350mm and 100mm, I got UB 154.5, but LB 194 from the image I am using. Which set of measurements do you prefer? If Pollens or Denis, can you PM me the full set of measurements for all forms?
Davide Sora Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 The English edition of Sacconi has, page 195, 350mm, 195.5mm, 154.5mm, 100mm. Using 350mm and 100mm, I got UB 154.5, but LB 194 from the image I am using. Which set of measurements do you prefer? If Pollens or Denis, can you PM me the full set of measurements for all forms? It seems that the various editions of the Sacconi do it on purpose to change the numbers to create havoc, as if were not enough the inaccuracies of the original However, I think that the dimensions of your drawing are fine : with four sets of different measures, I would not know which one to choose, without going back to measure the original form....... Don't you have books of Pollens and Denis?
Addie Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Don't you have books of Pollens and Denis? No, the Accademia is a budget operation. Our door-to-door shortbread sellers were recently arrested for impersonating Guides. So the budget is close to £0.00
Davide Sora Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 No, the Accademia is a budget operation. Our door-to-door shortbread sellers were recently arrested for impersonating Guides. So the budget is close to £0.00 I will send you a PM as soon as possible, to give in great secrecy my support to the Accademia :ph34r:
Jim Bress Posted January 20, 2016 Report Posted January 20, 2016 Addie, Thanks for the drawings. I made my P form based on Denis' geometry. The corners were a real head scratcher for me. What I settled on, based on your drawings, falls between the P and G form corners. I'm ok with that, and I feel better about it after comparing to your drawings. Now if only my blocks were a good match to my template.
Addie Posted January 21, 2016 Report Posted January 21, 2016 Forma S 1703. Dimensions: Sacconi, Italian edition. Forma S 1703 Legal.pdf Forma S 1703 A4-1.pdf Forma S 1703 A4-2.pdf Forma S 1703 Asymmetry.pdf
Addie Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 Look for the P tomorrow. I don't think the S 1703 is very popular...
Berl Mendenhall Posted January 22, 2016 Report Posted January 22, 2016 I don't think I've ever heard of a famous Strad made on the S form. I'm not an expert by any means.
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