Davide Sora Posted January 6, 2016 Report Posted January 6, 2016 We know the neck was nailed onto the rib structure BEFORE the plates were made, and assuming there was a stack of rib/necks, it would make sense to label them for model identification. The necks were probably interchangeable to some extant, but they most likely wanted to know which ribs they were working with... Just a thought. Are you sure? Advocatus, I think you've nailed it, this is probably the best explanation I've heard about the letters inscribed in the pegbox. That way makes far more sense than to remember the model of scrolls, I will adopt your theory Torbjorn, is impossible to be sure, but I'll bet my head that they nailed the neck to ribs before gluing the plates, even if maybe they had already made them.
curious1 Posted January 6, 2016 Report Posted January 6, 2016 Are you sure? Nope! I think it's highly likely, though. I think Advocatus is on pretty sure footing here. The conjoined neck/ribs were made first and then put on the flattened backs to establish the rough outline. Lettering the scroll with the model of the rib structure makes very good sense within the generally accepted methods of Stradivari.
Berl Mendenhall Posted January 6, 2016 Report Posted January 6, 2016 Thanks guys, I'll give you a break now.
Addie Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 Here is an updated G form pattern, based on a privately supplied image of the forma. Minor outline changes, plus existing block patterns are now included. Forma G MS49 1 A4.pdf Forma G MS49 2 A4.pdf Forma G MS49 Legal.pdf
Davide Sora Posted January 13, 2016 Report Posted January 13, 2016 Thanks Addie, downloaded. Very useful for all those who ask me to copy my model of the G form. I will give them your drawings along with instructions on how to modify it to get a standard stop lenght of 195 mm if desired and I will say : do a little more work, do not copy directly from my templates! (directly related to the topic "Templates" ). When I have some time I'll print them and try to compare with my template.
Addie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 Forma PG, from a privately supplied image. Forma PG Legal.pdf Forma PG A4-1.pdf Forma PG A4-2.pdf
Davide Sora Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 Forma PG, from a privately supplied image. Another thanks, Addie...... Just one question: are these drawings reliefs of the originals with all their asymmetries or symmetric reconstructions of the forms?
Addie Posted January 14, 2016 Report Posted January 14, 2016 This is the asymmetry of the PG: PG symmetry.pdf
Addie Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Forma P. Here I have crossed out Sacconi's corner radii and measured them myself (rejected his reality and substituted it with my own). I use a tilde because the curves are imperfect on the corner blocks. See next page for updated files. Forma P Asymmetry.pdf
Addie Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 P.S., ignore the typo: the lower block is marked PG, but it's not, it's the P 1704. I'll fix it next week.
DBurns Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Thanks Addie for all the nice posts. I appreciate it!
~ Ben Conover Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Addie, thanks for those drawings, very good. I'll get them printed out tomorrow.
Michael_Molnar Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 This represents a LOT of work. Good job, Addie.
~ Ben Conover Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Going back to the original post by Diaboli, I don't think that G form fits the fiddle. The lower corners could nto have come off that form because it's too tight in the lower C's. Also, the top edge of that form is too long for the instrument in the photo. When using forms Strad would like the rest of us had a small gap here and there. I'm making a new Strad (ish) templet today.
Advocatus Diaboli Posted January 16, 2016 Author Report Posted January 16, 2016 Which instrument are we walking about?
Michael_Molnar Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 When using forms Strad would like the rest of us had a small gap here and there. Sounds right. We get too anal about perfect matches. Strad's magic was in the finishing and adjustments IMHO.
~ Ben Conover Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Just saw this interesting Lie Nielsen copy, the guy reviewing it is rather clumsybut the plane looks to be totally spot on.
Davide Sora Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 P.S., ignore the typo: the lower block is marked PG, but it's not, it's the P 1704. I'll fix it next week. Maybe P 1705 ?
Addie Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Forma P 348 x 161 x 200 x 103mm“A 25 Fb 1705” Typographical errors fixed. Original inscription added. Forma P Legal.pdf Forma P A4-1.pdf Forma P A4-2.pdf
Evan Smith Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Addie, I have a honey do for you. Would you please put both of the blocks on one side of the Forma P I know my laziness can sometimes get the best of me,,, and my bunions hurt,,, sometimes,,sometimes not, Please?
~ Ben Conover Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 What do you get if you cross the Messiah with Viotti ?
Evan Smith Posted January 16, 2016 Report Posted January 16, 2016 Which one is the Father? The Iottimessia?
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