DGV Posted November 22, 2015 Report Posted November 22, 2015 Interesting. I will be willing to try it out if someone is willing to send me a free sample.
Michael_Molnar Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 I am not related to Pal Molnar.
kubasa Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 So it appears that this has to be purchased and installed by a partner luthier/maker. I'm guessing there is a special tool that only these makers receive for installing and making adjustments.
David Burgess Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 Only $530.00. I wonder if that includes installation and adjustment.
MANFIO Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 530!!! Preferisco la mia anima vecchia!!!!
JBertholdo Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 At that price I also wonder if some musician would be interested to install it on his/her violin.
Don Noon Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 Just think how much more convenient it would be if it had an adjustment knob sticking out the back so you could compensate for humidity changes without trying to get in through the soundhole. You'd only have to drill a small hole in the back.
Michael Richwine Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 Only $530.00. I wonder if that includes installation and adjustment. Looks like he's trying to get his development cost back on the first 100 units! IMHO, it might even be useful in that at least you can be pretty sure of getting good contact at both ends, but I'll be really curious to see what sort of people would even consider paying such a price.
Jim Bress Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 The next product will be the wrench specifically designed for adjusting the sound post.
christian bayon Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 I´m making carbon-fiber sound-post since 20 years, but without adjusting device for the tension, it sound clever...... and dangerous if musician have the key!
DarylG Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 I was intrigued until I saw the price! However, I wonder if this might be useful for makers that do accelerated break-in periods? I'm not sure that is the best term for it but I think you all know what I mean. Thoughts?
Will L Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 There have been times when I would have been desperate enough to fall for this. Now that I've given up, I'll invest the $530 on wine and women. Song I can provide myself. I can see a Marx Bros. routine. Groucho is standing on the Rue de Rome, and Chico is singing: "Get yer tootsie frootsie sound post! Get yer..." And Groucho asks, "How much is one?" "It's a free." "Free?" "Yes, it's free." "Well then, wrap me up a couple of dozen." "Fine." Then Groucho starts to walk off and turns: "Just what does one—dare I ask—do with one of these?" He rolls his eyes and mumbles to himself, "Not to mention two dozen." "For that you need the instruction book. "Instruction book, heh? And I suppose they don't come free with the post?" "Right. Then you gotta have the instruction book for how to use the instruction book." So Groucho begrudgingly pays and starts to walk off. Chico calls out, "You aren't gonna be very happy with those books." "What!?" "You only got the books for one post. You got two dozen. The books you got are only for one post. Each post got it's own books." Groucho eventually walks off with an arm load of instruction books, mumbling something about how he would have been better off if he had managed to get to Raffin's door.
baroquecello Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Posted November 23, 2015 Well, it would mean never needing a new sound post, only requiring adjustment. That would pay off over the years. My question is just how well it works, really. I don't think anyone is going to invest so much money without seeing it working for some instruments.
uncle duke Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 but I'll be really curious to see what sort of people would even consider paying such a price. Possibly some of the big city high schools. During the early 1980's over at Washington high school, yes Wyandotte county, during dry periods of the years the soundposts would fall out of the basses every year. Possibly the cellos, can't remeber them but the basses were notorious for losing soundposts.
Johnmasters Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 What happens between "7" and "0" ??
pbelin Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 Christian, Would you tell us more about your results?
David Burgess Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 I´m making carbon-fiber sound-post since 20 years, but without adjusting device for the tension, it sound clever...... and dangerous if musician have the key! I first tried it (very much along the lines of your photos, but with an added wooden nerd glued on at about the middle to stick the soundpost setter into) about 35 years ago.The results were not impressive enough that I considered the idea worth pursuing. What might possibly be interesting here is the screw adjuster, and the ball-mounted feet, available "off the shelf" (not that I see any original thought with this product). There were discussions here about these things a little while back, including some similar proposals. Don't have time to look that thread up right now. I don't see much new going on, except that someone has tried to put some of these ideas into a "production" piece.
Will L Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 The one I recall was this; I can't seem to find a picture: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5208408.html
James M. Jones Posted November 23, 2015 Report Posted November 23, 2015 Cool stuff, nice to see someone doing this type of innovation , might not lead anywhere long term, but then again it just might...On benefit of this kind of stuff is it let's folks try out some new ideas, if they pan out as good we are all better off, if it doesn't seem to catch on we can know not to go down that road, a sum plus game .... As I recall the previous thread was titled ..."how does sound post tension effect sound" ...or tone. or something similar.
DGV Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 Very soon, we will have violins that are 99.9% carbon fibre. The first step is to put such a sound post into a Luis and Clark or Mezzoforte carbon fibre violin strung with strings with carbon fibre cores.
Michael_Molnar Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 I think the price is a factor 10 too high.So many entrepreneurs overestimate their market.
MaestronetLurker Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 I've been considering designs for an adjustable sound post that can be adjusted from outside, and had some sort of gauge that would read how much compression the post was under. It seems as though it would be useful as I diagnostic tool to determine post size and placement before cutting a post if you could adjust it without moving it, but if you have to take it out to adjust it, then I don't see the point. Also, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that a post with a ball joint at the end would behave as a narrower post. In other words, the rocking motion of the top would happen over the ball joint rather than the width of the post.
Corilon violins Posted November 24, 2015 Report Posted November 24, 2015 I am not related to Pal Molnar. ;-)
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