Words that bother me

[Lusitano]

You are undoubtedly a spy from the CIA === CITES Intelligence Agency 

 

Hmm you are being watched very closely by MI5 == Maestronet Intelligence Section Cinco

 

When you receive a call, pick up the phone and hear absolutely nothing on the other line you will know why and who is calling and why

 

Does the cat hunt the mouse or does the mouse work with the Wolf in the bush to lure the cat?

 

 

PS - Speaking of "tone wood" and associating nationalities as means of judging quality irks me to no end, more so when said "tone wood" is not from said areas...  I also get exceptionally pissed off when biological references are thrown around by people who can't literally tell me the difference between an animal and a plant without looking googling, this seems to be way too common with luthiers...

 

The use of the word "cremonese", "Italian masters" and "old" as adjectives to describe sonorous qualities usually pisses me off because people make fools out of themselves 9/10 times with said terms and are soo full of mysticism they're common sense rivals that of a freeze dried pea that's been forgotten in the bottom of a very deep fridge....

 

I cannot stand talks about "new" vs "old" normally because the arguments for both sides of the fence are soo utterly flawed. BEYOND ridiculous the stuff people say and propagate particularly when trying to up the mysticism of old violins... As my grandmother used to say "Quality can be seen and heard, if you have to explain WHY something is great then it isn't that great to begin with..."

 

I ABSOLUTELY LOATH to hell and back conversations and people who defend the notion that instruments "Open up" with casual use... 1 week and all of a sudden "the instrument blooms", never do they factor in the notion that strings settle in AND THE PLAYER GETS USED TO THE INSTRUMENT

 

I can't stand the term "stradivari/input old Italian maker" sound especially when people who profess the wonders of said sound have NEVER held, heard or seen the instrument in action UP CLOSE OR EVEN RECORDED WITHOUT MASSIVE SOUND MANIPULATION... 

[Fiddler45]

Using the word dominate, when what is meant is dominant.

Using "an" before "historic", as in "an historic event".

Pronouncing "huge" as "yuge", or any other H word as a Y.

It's "the NFL", "the NHL", "the NBA", but it's not "the MLB". No one says "the major league baseball".

There/their/they're, its/it's, you're/your. Third grade English, get it right.

[Stephen Faulk]

Using the word dominate, when what is meant is dominant.

Using "an" before "historic", as in "an historic event".

Pronouncing "huge" as "yuge", or any other H word as a Y.

It's "the NFL", "the NHL", "the NBA", but it's not "the MLB". No one says "the major league baseball".

There/their/they're, its/it's, you're/your. Third grade English, get it right.

 

 

I've thought about that for a long time. My historical model of an abuser of an historic has always been Charles Emerson Winchester  III. 

 

It seems An Historic is perfectly fine grammatically, but is an old, old  idiomatic way of speaking. Going back to British English when one would say Historic by leaving off the H sound making it istoric. That lends itself to putting the an in front of it because it is a vowel sound. 

 

So I looked into it and it seems that it's ok to run the An into the Historic in such a way that it sounds like a vowel 'an-istoric'. But not the other way round when you say An then pause and say Historic. It sounds strange with the pause. You often hear British presenters saying "It was anistorical event. " And they are perfectly in tune with grammar. 

 

Hawkeye Pierce once lambasted CEW III for using 'an historic' in a pretentious non idiomatic way.  He used the example of "An..(pause).. Harmonica" when sarcastically making fun of CEW III. 

 

This is major fun, if not an-ysterical example. 

[Fiddler45]

Yes, I had thought about that, if it were pronounced without the H, but I am specifically referring to when the H is pronounced.

[Guest]

Wow what a f'd up thread. What does this have to do with stringed instruments...that word bother you?

[Violadamore]

Wow what a fucked up thread. What does this have to do with stringed instruments...that word bother you?

Well, it all started with Stephen being waaay overtightened and frightfully out of tune....   

[Stephen Faulk]

I plead Root Canal and demand my attorney. 

[Guest]

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[Will L]

Anyone remember the great scene in Frazier where he pronounces the French philosopher La Rochefoucauld as  "La Roche-fo (long -O-) co."  The other guy says a bunch of stuff and then, "And it's La Roche-FOO-co."  And Frazier goes crazy and starts chasing him shouting, "No one corrects my French!"

 

 

[Guest]

I'm out.

[Violadamore]

I hope I live long enough to see what's around the bend.

 

Besides a majority of our recent posters, you mean? 

[Evan Smith]

WOW, I hope I live long enough to see what's around the bend.

Is there another curve in the road?

I kind of thought we were on the runway speeding up for take off.

(glances out the window into the cold glassy eyed stare of a drone as it clicks its shutter and fly's away)

[Will L]

Hey, we almost left out:  "I like any kind of music as long as it's good."

 

Doesn't that translate into the self-serving:  "If I like it, it must be good, since I have impeccable taste." ?

[Fiddler45]

Hey, we almost left out:  "I like any kind of music as long as it's good."

 

Doesn't that translate into the self-serving:  "If I like it, it must be good, since I have impeccable taste." ?

I have always taken that to mean that, for example, classical music isn't always better, if the Bach being played is being butchered. In that case, I would much rather hear a good country band in a bar...and I don't even care much for country.

[Jimbow]

"I like any kind of music as long as it's good."

 

Whatever ! . . . like,  you know!

[martin swan]

When you receive a call, pick up the phone and hear absolutely nothing on the other line you will know why and who is calling and why

 

Does the cat hunt the mouse or does the mouse work with the Wolf in the bush to lure the cat?

 

 

PS - Speaking of "tone wood" and associating nationalities as means of judging quality irks me to no end, more so when said "tone wood" is not from said areas...  I also get exceptionally pissed off when biological references are thrown around by people who can't literally tell me the difference between an animal and a plant without looking googling, this seems to be way too common with luthiers...

 

The use of the word "cremonese", "Italian masters" and "old" as adjectives to describe sonorous qualities usually pisses me off because people make fools out of themselves 9/10 times with said terms and are soo full of mysticism they're common sense rivals that of a freeze dried pea that's been forgotten in the bottom of a very deep fridge....

 

I cannot stand talks about "new" vs "old" normally because the arguments for both sides of the fence are soo utterly flawed. BEYOND ridiculous the stuff people say and propagate particularly when trying to up the mysticism of old violins... As my grandmother used to say "Quality can be seen and heard, if you have to explain WHY something is great then it isn't that great to begin with..."

 

I ABSOLUTELY LOATH to hell and back conversations and people who defend the notion that instruments "Open up" with casual use... 1 week and all of a sudden "the instrument blooms", never do they factor in the notion that strings settle in AND THE PLAYER GETS USED TO THE INSTRUMENT

 

I can't stand the term "stradivari/input old Italian maker" sound especially when people who profess the wonders of said sound have NEVER held, heard or seen the instrument in action UP CLOSE OR EVEN RECORDED WITHOUT MASSIVE SOUND MANIPULATION... 

 

The use of "emphatic upper case" in Maestronet posts just flew to the top of my list ... 

[CarloBartolini]

Ok, the worst word ever = Tax.

 

Second worst word ever, specially when used against a kid = Obey.

 

And my favorite history on the words above:

 

In 1701 some Yukagires who were tributary to Russia determined to make an attack on the Chukches (nomad tribe near the Bering Strait), and requested from the commandant at Anadyrsk assistance against these enemies. A body of troops numbering twenty-four Russians and 110 Yukagires, was accordingly sent on a campaign along the coast from Anadyrsk to Chukotskojnos. By the way they fell in with thirteen tents, inhabited by Chukches who owned no reindeer. The inhabitants were required to submit and pay tribute. This the Chukches refused to do, on which the Russians killed most of the men and took the women and children prisoners. The men who were not cut down killed one another, preferring death to the loss of freedom. Some days after there was another fight with 300 Chukches, which, however, was so unfortunate for the latter that 200 are said to have fallen. The rest fled, but returned next day with a force ten times as strong, which finally compelled the Russo-Yukagnean troop to return with their object unaccomplished.

 

A similar campaign on a small scale was undertaken in 1711, but with the same issue. On a demand for tribute the Chukches answered: "the Russians have before come to us to demand tribute and hostages, but this we have refused to give, and thus we also intend to do in future."

 

A.E. Nordenskiold . The Voyage of the Vega.

[Stephen Faulk]

I'm out.

Hey, a lot of us work by ourselves long days and eat meager lunches and never get to use our best puns on others. We are just having fun. Don't go away! Come back and play, there's more than enough serious talk here too and I love the real nitty gritty violin talk stuff. 

[David in NC]

Or "oriental" instead of Asian.  Or convoluting all Asian people as the same when they are not.  I invited my idiot cousin to a party at Rice and he approached this CHINESE friend of mine and starting talking about how wonderful the cameras were from JAPAN. 

Reminds me that Minnesota legislature changed the name of the "Asian Carp" to "Invasive Carp" because they thought "Asians" would find it offensive.  

 

And this thread is growing faster than I can keep up!!   Does anyone make violins anymore?  Or just "hang" on Maestronet?  (there you go, another word to talk about "hang".

 

 

"Hang" is just about as bad as "LOL"

[Bob Sp]

Hey, we almost left out:  "I like any kind of music as long as it's good."

 

Doesn't that translate into the self-serving:  "If I like it, it must be good, since I have impeccable taste." ?

 

I have used that phrase.  But usually after someone has said, "I only listens to (insert genre)." in an arrogant and dismissive voice rejecting every other genre as junk.

[Will L]

 

And this thread is growing faster than I can keep up!!   Does anyone make violins anymore? 

 

 

 

One does wonder!   Your subtle reminder made me head for the bench.  I owe you; my next violin will have a note on the label:  This violin inspired by David W Chandler.  

[Lusitano]

The use of "emphatic upper case" in Maestronet posts just flew to the top of my list ... 

 

I should use such colorations MORE often then

 

Not so much a word but rather a conjunction of mislead attitudes = I can't stand the plaque like snobbishry present in soo many conversations pertaining to anything violin related, there's always some alluded aristocratic minded retrograde speaker that ends up makes my skin crawl every time he/she opens his/her mouth... Literally

[not telling]

Lusitano needs thicker skin. 

[Jimbow]

"I can't stand the plaque like snobbishry present in soo many conversations pertaining to anything violin related,"

 

Yeah! I don't like those 'snobbishry' people either.

Usually they're just trying to establish their creds, I suppose.

[martin swan]

Please show us an example ... I've always thought people on Maestronet were singularly open-minded and democratic.

By "alluded" do you mean deluded?

So a deluded aristocratic-minded (?) retrograde speaker - you must be talking about Carl Stross