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Prime numbers.........Coincidence?

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As I was staring recently at tables of measurements of some rather ‘Nice’ Cremonese instruments, it struck me that the numbers that make up a violin are (or could in theory be) prime.  

For example:

Body length:  353
Upper bout width:  167
Center bout width:  109
Lower bout width:  211
Distance between upper eyes of FFs:  41
Distance of lower lobe of FFs from edge:  13
Mensure:  193 (if you’re Del Gesu), or 197 (if you’re making the ‘Soil’)
Width of scroll:  41
Narrowest point of scroll:  11
Length of scroll:  103
Neck length:  13 (cm)

Coincidence?  I think not!  Is it a coincidence that the moon is made of cheese?  Is it a coincidence that the Sun is the center of the galaxy, nay, universe?!  I think not!

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I could tell you why those numbers are all prime. But I'm not allowed to. It would be a violation of the Prime Directive for me to interfere with development on your planet.

(Edit: I know the secret of Stradivari too, but I'm sorry, I just can't tell you.)

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As I was staring recently at tables of measurements of some rather ‘Nice’ Cremonese instruments, it struck me that the numbers that make up a violin are (or could in theory be) prime.  

For example:

Body length:  353

Upper bout width:  167

Center bout width:  109

Lower bout width:  211

Distance between upper eyes of FFs:  41

Distance of lower lobe of FFs from edge:  13

Mensure:  193 (if you’re Del Gesu), or 197 (if you’re making the ‘Soil’)

Width of scroll:  41

Narrowest point of scroll:  11

Length of scroll:  103

Neck length:  13 (cm)

Coincidence?  I think not!  Is it a coincidence that the moon is made of cheese?  Is it a coincidence that the Sun is the center of the galaxy, nay, universe?!  I think not!

I believe that the relationship you found is inherently complex, in that its roots are at least half imaginary.  :P  :lol:

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I may be thick, but I don't think that prime numbers translate from millimetres to the Cremonese inch or whatever they used. Ratios yes, prime numbers no.

My thoughts exactly.  Ratios are the key.  Millimeters weren’t known in Golden Era Cremona.  But Strad’s FIL wrote books on architecture, proportions, etc. and used the Cremonese measure.

Capra-1717-Oncie.pdf

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I believe that the relationship you found is inherently complex, in that its roots are at least half imaginary.  :P  :lol:

If it were half imaginary would the length be the square root of negative one minus one half? or is that plus one half,  ok now I'm cornfused   :blink:   ah wait,  now I get it.  It's not primes,  it's fractals!

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I may be thick, but I don't think that prime numbers translate from millimetres to the Cremonese inch or whatever they used. Ratios yes, prime numbers no.

I hope you haven't taken me seriously here...

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Yeah is reminds me of makers who dote on the metric system thinking it it superior, but instruments were made on base 12 or 10 inch systems. Metric system is good, but inches lay out in rounder numbers that show any purposeful ratios , if they even exist. 

 

I'm an atheist when it comes to hidden numbers secret religions in instruments..........except the one truth path The DG Code. 

 

Now, where did I put that dammed cilice tonight? I must punish myself. 

 

Your truly, 

Silas

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... where did I put that dammed cilice tonight? I must punish myself. 

 

Your truly, 

Silas

Wrong book.  You want fret gut.

 

... and you can’t decode The Code without Cremonese measure!   :ph34r:

 

Mock numerology?  Michael, I predict you will mis-measure some part of a violin in the next six years, by 0.5mm.  See if I’m wrong!  Hahahahahahahahahaha! (evil laugh).  Wait!  Multiply six by 0.5 and YOU GET 3!!!!  The mystical number three!  See? The magic of numerology never fails!   :rolleyes:

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The PDF I posted, printed @ 100% on U.S. Letter sized paper, will give you a Cremonese ruler.

P.S. Suitable for framing.  Makes a great Festivus gift!

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The PDF I posted, printed @ 100% on U.S. Letter sized paper, will give you a Cremonese ruler.

Are you sure?  It looks too small. 

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The "oncie quattro del Braccio di Cremona" should be 40.25 mm, although an 1877 book defined it as 40.7 mm, and others as low as 39. I know both Sacconi and Pollens measured the one on the tower in Cremona. IIRC, Pollens got 40.25. I don't remember what Sacconi got.

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