Roger Hargrave Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I supose it is always possible that he is pulling our strings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not telling Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I was only asking a simple question. Everyone only like to point out how great Roger is and that I should read, you see I'm a little retarded and can't read that fast and much, better to ask (That's what forums are for, or what?) Good night Peter You said it first. I was willing to accept that you are a little bit blind. And probably somewhat deaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I supose it is always possible that he is pulling our strings? That'd be my suspicion too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I know, I have visited your web site many, many times. Very interesting readings. Today I was on a train back from a business trip and the Internet was interupted most of the time. That reminds me of an exchange we had a few weeks ago, during which I expressed skepticism that you could become a good maker by spending two or three hours a week at it. I won't say that it can't be done, but I hope you understand that you will be competing with people who live and breathe this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 I supose it is always possible that he is pulling our strings? Possible, but I suspect not. Actually, before I had made six fiddles and without outside advice, I figured out on my own that finalizing the outline and purfling after closing was the logical approach. Between wood movement and slightly imperfect block faces I could not reliably get even overhang any other way. My handicap doesn't help, but is a minor inconvenience doing it this way. Later I found out that I wasn't the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter K-G Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I supose it is always possible that he is pulling our strings? Morning Roger Now why on earth would I want to do that, concidering all the kind and open minded answers I got to a simple question Anyway, if it's allowed to ask a little bit more, it is still a forum i guess. Is the answer that James gave the only clue to why the purfling was inserted after the soundbox was closed? Again, I'm not questioning the evidence only trying to kindly ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Now why on earth would I want to do that, concidering all the kind and open minded answers I got to a simple question Anyway, if it's allowed to ask a little bit more, it is still a forum i guess. You did observe that this is EXACTLY what you and your buddy Patrick, DON'T do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkMan Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 My thoughts 'xactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Morning Roger Now why on earth would I want to do that, concidering all the kind and open minded answers I got to a simple question Anyway, if it's allowed to ask a little bit more, it is still a forum i guess. Is the answer that James gave the only clue to why the purfling was inserted after the soundbox was closed? Again, I'm not questioning the evidence only trying to kindly ask. Even if it was the only clue, what would be the other logical explanation for the pin to be consistently cut in half by the purfling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Hargrave Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 LinkMan you kill me every time! All those heavy discussions that we have had about 'Art' on MN. Now that is 'Art'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Uh oh, looks like we had a major "Peter pile-on". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious1 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Uh oh, looks like we had a "Peter pile-on". It certainly does. :^( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Now why on earth would I want to do that, concidering all the kind and open minded answers I got to a simple question Anyway, if it's allowed to ask a little bit more, it is still a forum i guess. Is the answer that James gave the only clue to why the purfling was inserted after the soundbox was closed? #1 Because what I think /see is highly filtered through years of other people's actual experience. best to try and observe what they see. . #2 There are plenty of others,(clues) although not quite so directly related, best to open your mind to the fact that "work" was being done when these instrument were being made ,not theoretical practice.( there's gotta be a pony somewhere around here) Oh yea, post 133...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBurns Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 The problem is in identifying who is inside the Trojan Horse. I take everything with a grain of salt. Not everything is what it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Bear in mind that Cassandra warned the troyans not to get the horse inside.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious1 Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Bear in mind that Cassandra warned the troyans not to get the horse inside.... I'm not sure MN has the face to launch a thousand ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I'm not sure MN has the face to launch a thousand ships. No, but we could with our drills, poke holes in them for sinking..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addie Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 I'm not sure MN has the face to launch a thousand ships. No, the MN readership is the force to carve a thousand chips... (my apologies to Ὅμηρος) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter K-G Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Linkman, You are cleaver, how did you figure out that I use to drop trojans on Maestronet from time to time to take the site down. (For the record, my question was serious, no trojan there) Good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Coleman Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 I had been reading Roger's chapters in the DG book and I thought I'd try his method for edge work. I found it easier (much easier) to do nice clean edges. I have a few pictures of the process. I apologies for the fuzziness of the first I wanted to show the channel. I used a vaining gouge to cut the purfling to depth and then did each side. I also found the small brass tool very useful for doing the inside part that blends with the arch. In my opinion it's not much good for anything else. The outside part of the scoop I did with gouges and scraper. I have yet to roll the edges over to the final edge thickness. I want to wait till I've finished scraping and finishing the arch. I've got two fiddles started and I used this method on both backs. So far I'm a convert Please excuse me but what is the "DG book"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Please excuse me but what is the "DG book"? Giuseppe Guarneri 'del Gesù' by Carlo Chiesa, John Dilworth, Roger Hargrave, Stewart Pollens, Duane Rosengard and Eric Wen Rodgers chapters http://www.roger-hargrave.de/Seiten/english/Bibliothek/Bibliothek.htm Or the whole book http://www.orpheusmusicshop.com/makers-making/SL089.html Expensive but worth every cent. -Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Something weird is going on with the posts. The bottom half of my post isn't showing up (except when using the edit function) and the link isn't working. Rodger's chapters are on his web site and the book is available at the Strad library. Cheers, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Coleman Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Thanks Jim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious1 Posted March 31, 2014 Report Share Posted March 31, 2014 No, that is exactly what Roger believes. That Stradivari cut a purfling groove 3+mm deep. Here are excerpts from Roger's book on del Gesu. image.jpgimage.jpg I wish I could find the 35mm slides I have of a beautiful, pristine Nicolo Amati in which you can clearly see the marking out of the purfling channel. The tool used was not a knife but the same dog legged compass used to mark the crest of the edge. This tool has a blunt point so as NOT to cut the grain of the wood. It leaves an impression similar to your thumb nail. Probably not dissimilar to a tool like this. image.jpg The edge channel was all but finished except for scraping when the purfling went in. Hi MNers, I will be posting over the course of the next few days a continuation of this topic. There is a fair amount of material to present and cover so I will have to pick away at instead of writing one big post. Hopefully it will make sense by the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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