Membasta Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 I have an old violin, very old. has no label inside. I have a feeling that it Stradivarius. there are a few details, such as color, density wood, asymmetry, insert the pins, button, under the neck, in the middle of an oval shape with "f", various symmetrical additives in the middle: square and oval. in the middle of the black border is marked on the bottom plate, 1.5 cm from the edge. language at the neck is black circuit. on the head seen from the inner side of the selected print, round, with the key inside the hole. on the one hand, the screw letter "G". back plate corrugated, non-planar back plate imprinted letters, the gut like subtitles overlapping, or that give this impression. in the middle of the ball, loosely pending. Violin sound great, amazing. whether it can be Strad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palousian Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it is very, very unlikely that you have a Stradivari violin. However, maybe you have a really fine violin, but you would have to provide images of your violin here for anyone to respond with any useful information. Because you have only made one post, you will be unable to post images into this thread directly, but if you could put images on an internet site that can host your images, and post a link to the images here, then the experts here (I am not one of them) could probably give you an idea of what you have. Take clear photos of the top, back, scroll from the side, perhaps close ups of the corners...if you look at others' posting of violin images on the site, you can get an idea of what people would need to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violadg Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Yes, please post photos of it, otherwise it's impossible to know. It would be interesting to see regardless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Membasta Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Ok: http://77.252.6.104/f/1.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/2.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/3.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/4.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/5.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/6.jpg http://77.252.6.104/f/7.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 The last Strad found in an attic was real....This one is not.... look toward Germany and the 19th/20th century .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddleDoug Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Definately NOT a Strad. I agree that it's probably German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTS Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I'm sure it's a Strad.Just check antique shops and flea markets for more if you need them.Ebay has even been known to have a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 His Schönbach period, end of the 19th C. Did you strip the varnish off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Membasta Posted March 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Now without a varnish.... wood still has a color, amazing.. Inside is exactly like on a scan: http://blogs.loc.gov/loc/files/2011/12/Betts-front-detail-best2-copy.jpg&w=1526&h=881&ei=YLoUU96WJcLNygO0zYHABg&zoom=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Don't let them get you down, though. It's very pretty; a keeper, in a sea of its contemporaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Wait, wait. The inside looks exactly like the CT scan of the Betts? You've lost me there. Like, it has grains, and stuff, and a bassbar, even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hart Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Now without a varnish.... wood still has a color, amazing.. Inside is exactly like on a scan: http://blogs.loc.gov/loc/files/2011/12/Betts-front-detail-best2-copy.jpg&w=1526&h=881&ei=YLoUU96WJcLNygO0zYHABg&zoom=1 Its not really amazing. Someone has taken all of the varnish off the back right up to the button. What is fascinating is they didn't do the button. Its hard to tell what happened to the top but there is at least some varnish still there and on the ribs. Soundpost crack poorly repaired, looks open. Probably explains the fabulous sound. Had a lady a few weeks ago exclaim how beautiful her violin sounded, and half the bassbar was loose! Not entirely sure how the inside of the Betts was grafted to your violin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Membasta Posted March 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Violins were in very bad condition. I am not hurry with their renovation, this is not for sale. I remove old varnish with linseed oil and resin. Only naturals components. I am working to finish my work, but thans for comments about it. The violin were never opened. About CT scan: Inside Is the same oval element. It seems that on the scan image is a mirror image. On the bass bar is another, small, convex dot, I'm not sure how well I can see on the association the letter "A". This is somewhere in the middle of the bass bar, from side the same as the sound post. Another is also pictures of rings, are very well visible tree rings on the front plate. Quite close to each other. Work on finishes continues, will be varnish oil, linseed oil plus resin. Very simple, but the best for me and for wood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddleDoug Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 It's not a Strad! "Inside Is the same oval element." The oval element that you refer to is a soundpost patch, and is a repair that's commonly done for a soundpost crack. "I remove old varnish with linseed oil and resin." Typically, removing the original varnish from a violin will destroy it's value. Just like any antique, if it's in original condition, it's worth MUCH more than if its been refinished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Please don't strip the varnish off old violins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassClef Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 While on the topic of devaluing old violins what's the worst that's been done to a strad on purpose, repair/restoration wise? Do all known strads have original scrolls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palousian Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 The only Strad I have ever played was a late one (1734, if I recall correctly) that apparently did not have its original scroll. Yeah, thank goodness the OP does not have an actual Stradivari!! I can't imagine the health effects on MN participants with the collective blood pressure rise as a result of someone stripping the varnish off a Strad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will L Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 While on the topic of devaluing old violins what's the worst that's been done to a strad on purpose, repair/restoration wise? Do all known strads have original scrolls? The worst I know of was a Strad which had been completely revarnished; it was being sold at Sotheby's. I don't know if that would qualify as "on purpose." Since Strads can look pretty nice with very little varnish, pretty much just the ground left, I'd think it would have been better not to do anything. Maybe there was a reason why it HAD to have new varnish, but I can't imagine what reason that would be. (Incidentally, I would have no way of knowing if Sotheby's was right that it was a Strad, or what the history of the violin was.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiddler45 Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Please don't strip the varnish off old violins. This. Except you put it more nicely than i would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 This. Except you put it more nicely than i would have. While on the topic of devaluing old violins what's the worst that's been done to a strad on purpose, repair/restoration wise? http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/328923-early-strad/?hl=tiger#entry594173 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hart Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Surely this is a practical joke. No one in their right mind would start messing with something they thought was a Strad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Pautz Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 Good call Violadamore - I also immediately thought of the "Lioness"http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/8485/167075lioness.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 . No one in their right mind would start messing with something they thought was a Strad. Since when has posting on MN been an indicator of sanity? Thanks, Joel If someone would do that, and someone else would strip it off, they'd likely do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott S Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 I think 9 out of 10 Joe Publics will look at a violin that needs various repairs, and say, "It only needs revarnished". Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not telling Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Reminds me a bit of the 'Ecce Mono' debacle. OP only wanted to restore his Stradivari. He probably can't see what the big deal is. Sure...maybe the post is one of the regular MN posters out a' trolling with a new identity. No way to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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