Violin ID

[Kallie]

Hi there,

 

Can someone perhaps offer their opinions on this violin? It came with a beautiful leather case which I will post pictures of tomorrow. In the case was a paper which shows a diagram of the interior of the violin. This paper was written and drawn by the last person who repaired it.

 

On this paper, it says Violin made October 26, 1823. It also says Repaired July 23 1839. It also says "Taken to pieces by Wheatley", and with a signature, and dated Nov 29 1834. This is all written inside the violin aswell apparently. The diagram shows where it is written on the interior.

 

About the violin:

Lovely 1 piece maple back

Grafted scroll (You can zoom in on the pictures to see the graft line.

Nail in the button, and below the button (where the neck block is)

Ebony fingerboard

Inlaid Purfling

Varnish worn/gone where your palm would be when playing up in high positions

On the inside are a few cleats running along cracks, aswell as a soundpost patch.

 

 

Any idea where this was made, if the date is legit, and what its value would be once repaired? Also can a specific model be identified on which it has been made? It has no label unfortunately, but as I mentioned above it says Violin made October 26 1823 on the inside.

 

Here are some pictures. Feel free to request more (a specific angle) I also apologize for the blurryness on some photos, I took these pictures in a hurry.

 

Thank You.

[Ratcliffiddles]

Looks typically Mittenwald work from around 1850

 

 

 

edit:

I have had a better look and I think it could be 1823 making date, good quality, very well used, Mittenwald in any case.

 

If you have the date in pencil on the inside table you possibly have also the maker's name, unfortunately, it is likely to be in German Kurrentschrift, so good luck for reading it, even with the help of this.

[Kallie]

Looks typically Mittenwald work from around 1850

 

 

 

edit:

I have had a better look and I think it could be 1823 making date, good quality, very well used, Mittenwald in any case.

 

If you have the date in pencil on the inside table you possibly have also the maker's name, unfortunately, it is likely to be in German Kurrentschrift, so good luck for reading it, even with the help of this.

 

Thanks for the info. I'll have a look in the light tomorrow to see if I can see a name perhaps.

[Kallie]

I couldnt find any maker's name, but there are writings inside by 4 different people. One which says "made in 1823", one in 1834, one in 1838 and then another one in 1902. The last 3 are repair dates apparently.

[Sapolino82]

Hello dear,

I'm writing to you regarding a G&A Klemm, William Schuster 1795.
I bought it a long time ago from a German friend in Germany in 80s but I'm not using it anymore.
I have decided to sell it but I have no idea how much it costs.
Could you give me an idea for how much should I sell?
I'm from Brazil, São Paulo!
 

Thank you very much,
Ren

[jacobsaunders]

The violin is clearly a Mittenwald “Verleger” violin, and such instruments were made throughout the 2nd. half of the 19th C. If yours quite literally says "Made in....” in the wrong language (English), then you can disregard the inscription(s) as spurious. Altogether, with the worm damage, and the broken button etc., I wouldn’t think it worth anything at all in its current state

[Sapolino82]

Theres a label inside which says...

G&A Klemm, prop William Schuster (big letters)

Eukirchen (Saxonia). Fund em 1795 (small letters below G&A......)

How do I attach some pictures in the topic?

Thanks

[Kallie]

Here are 3 quick photos of some of the writing inside. As can be seen, there is no label, maker name, or "made in" written.

 

Thank you Jacob for taking time to respond. I appreciate your straight forward maestronet evaluations.

[Ratcliffiddles]

Nothing written on the inside belly?

[Kallie]

Nothing written on the inside belly?

 

Pretty much the same as on the back, except for one writing which says "Nearly destroyed by the .... fire" I took a picture of the diagram which shows that written.

[Kallie]

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[Jeff White]

Kallie, OMG, you have a virtual book in there!  Seems like everyone took the lead writing the history in it, most times, it's just one person who does it.  Looks like a good edgework project on the lower right bought, carefull, looks like everything is falling apart there.  You might consider redoing that soundpost patch as it looks to be not only poorly placed, but looks to no be inlaid.  Looks like a fun project.   jeff

[Kallie]

Kallie, OMG, you have a virtual book in there!  Seems like everyone took the lead writing the history in it, most times, it's just one person who does it.  Looks like a good edgework project on the lower right bought, carefull, looks like everything is falling apart there.  You might consider redoing that soundpost patch as it looks to be not only poorly placed, but looks to no be inlaid.  Looks like a fun project.   jeff

 

Thank You Jeff, yes, the edges are very fragile on this violin. The purfling is deep, weakening it, and some of the wood is gone (Probably since it was opened 3 times before now). I will reinforce the edges. The soundpost patch does look like it is not inlaid, so I will have a look at that aswell.

[GlennYorkPA]

Hi there,

 

Can someone perhaps offer their opinions on this violin? It came with a beautiful leather case which I will post pictures of tomorrow. 

 

 

Any chance of a picture of the leather case?

Thanks

Glenn

[Kallie]

Any chance of a picture of the leather case?

Thanks

Glenn

 

Sorry I forgot about that. I'll try to get some pics up tonight.

[robertdo]

Here are 3 quick photos of some of the writing inside. As can be seen, there is no label, maker name, or "made in" written.

 

Thank you Jacob for taking time to respond. I appreciate your straight forward maestronet evaluations.

Isn't it written "made Oct 1823?"

[Kallie]

Isn't it written "made Oct 1823??"

 

I meant something like "Made in" *Germany* or any other place. Wasnt referring to a date.

[robertdo]

I see. My mistake. I thought J.Saunders meant to disregard the date if it was written "made in 1823".

[Kallie]

Here are some pictures of the case. This is all I have with me right now. It says "Reliance" with "Patented for" underneath. The bow is also stamped Lupot, but Im going to assume its not original, since there is no inlaid mother of pearl. The varnish is also coming off. Is it okay to re varnish a violin bow? I know re varnishing a violin is highly frowned upon/despised. Does the value go down for a bow that has this done? The varnish is flaking off so I doubt its salvageable.

 

 

[Kallie]

I see. My mistake. I thought J.Saunders meant to disregard the date if it was written "made in 1823".

 

Oh i see. I think you might be right. I thought he was referring to something like Made in "place". Seems it may have been my mistake after all.