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Geographical origin ..... maybe we could do a "Bernie The Bolt" :)

Up a bit, up a bit, right a bit, left a bit, up a bit, right a bit ...... shoot!"

Deeply confused listing in which the seller makes a big deal of the linings and also says they have been replaced. Always a mistake to focus on blocks and linings if there's a good chance they're not original B)

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I have to say, although I really don't like all the conjecture and deliberate mis-direction in the listing, the violin sounds really good. So does the player (who I assume is the seller) ...

 

On another note, if this violin was Italian, what would you expect learned members of this forum to say about it? No-one is going to say "yes it looks genuine" - last time I looked, pretty much everyone on this forum who has any specialist knowledge is a dealer. 

At the famous Bonham's auction, I don't recall anyone hanging around that mis-attributed Montagnana saying "ooh I think that could be the real thing". Quite the opposite. I heard Fabrice Girardin playing it from the other side of the room - it sounded pretty good, so I asked him what it was. "What, that old Mittenwald thing ....? You thought it sounded OK? Really?"

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I have to say, although I really don't like all the conjecture and deliberate mis-direction in the listing, the violin sounds really good. So does the player (who I assume is the seller) ...

 

On another note, if this violin was Italian, what would you expect learned members of this forum to say about it? No-one is going to say "yes it looks genuine" - last time I looked, pretty much everyone on this forum who has any specialist knowledge is a dealer. 

At the famous Bonham's auction, I don't recall anyone hanging around that mis-attributed Montagnana saying "ooh I think that could be the real thing". Quite the opposite. I heard Fabrice Girardin playing it from the other side of the room - it sounded pretty good, so I asked him what it was. "What, that old Mittenwald thing ....? You thought it sounded OK? Really?"

So true...

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That is pretty strange Anna, is it a photoshop job or something real you have lying around, and if it's real, what's it for?

It's Art.

Wikipedia tells me that the maker of this masterpiece, Ken Butler, is "an artist and musician, as well as an experimental musical instrument builder. His Hybrid musical instruments and other artworks explore the interaction and transformation of common and uncommon objects, altered images, sounds and silence."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Butler

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Hello Ladies & Gents, 

 

The violin for sale is by me. I took it to several shops in which they all had different opinions. Which leads me to find expertise is opinion. Most of the shops said 18th century Italian, but one shop said maybe really old mittenwald and the scroll may or may not be married. As far as my opinion of the instrument, I believe the body has italian instruments, very much 18th century piece, and the scroll stands a chance of being unmarried.

 

Any questions Pleas direct to me.

 

God Bless you guys,

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It's as Italian as the pasta in my freezer!

 

I have never, I say again, NEVER, heard a legitimate dealer or expert (legitimate dealer-hehehe) refer to a scroll as "married".

 

I'm from Tennessee, too, so I know one when I see one...

 

God Bless you , as well, but if you sell this as Genuine Italian, he'll want to have a word or two with you.

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IMHO, it's yet another older Saxon with all of the hallmarks of the species, the corners in particular, and whatever the marital status of the grafted scroll, it shows a delta at the bottom of the center flute on the back.  The purfling and edgework is nearly identical to that on one that I have handy.  It's had some conspicuous work done, particularly on the pegbox, and signs of age and use, so I'd suspect .!850's to 1860's Markneukirchen as the origin.  Anybody have major problems with that summary? :lol: .

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If one checks outs the bottom of the listing description, the seller apparently added further info:

 

"Thank you for the interest in the violin. I have given you all of my knowledge and opinions on the violin. Please bid accordingly to your eye. I am not a certified expert, all description is shop opinions, and what is evident is the age and dimensions to its substance of quality. My guarantee is for a fine old violin, as far as its defiant origins let that speak for its self and be sold accordingly. I am happy to answer any questions about the violin. Very rarely do we see an instrument come across ebay of this quality.

 
Thank You so much!"
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Hello,

 

I am the seller. Any questions feel free to contact me. No it is not saxon or american. Please do not run my auction through the mud for your enjoyment. I was very thorough with what information was giving to me. Most opinions where italian with one mittenwald opinion. If I can be any more clear, I can give you more details to the violin for you. I have a little newborn and a new family, I am not trying to pull one over. I am selling it at the best of my knowledge. 

 

Ask any questions about this violin. 

 

God Bless

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On this forum... I see you calling the violin from

 

Scottish

American

Saxon

Klingenthal 

 

This opinions really show the legitimization of luthier or violin connoisseur evaluation. The best and brightest are not always right. However the substance of inequalities it what sets apart a true italian violin. I study violin all the time, from my knowledge this violin the body appears italian, but the scroll maybe unmarried. Lets talk like adults. I am willing. 

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I have to say, although I really don't like all the conjecture and deliberate mis-direction in the listing, the violin sounds really good. So does the player (who I assume is the seller) ...

 

Ah, he's a good fiddler.  But it sounds nasal.  I'm sure it's all in the setup, but, I still don't know with the bad setup.  IMHO.

 

But what I really can't stand is the bid history.. sigh*  There will never be 23 bids at a thousand dollars after a day and a half of a 7-day listing on eBay.  Not even with really fine violins.  Not in 100 dollar incruments either:

 

g***e  :ph34r:  bids $201, $301, $401, $501  -  All within 2 minutes!!  There's a guy with some serious $$$ to blow.

 

Then a***i  :ph34r: boosts it another $400 within 2.5 minutes the next day.  My, oh, my, we got some fighters here.

 

...................... What can you do?

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