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Does somebody knows some particular (if such exist) information about:

 

B R U D E R    L U T Z

Musik Instrumenten&Seiten Fabrik

Schoenbach

 

What could be the market value for cello in good condition produced by them?

 

Thanks

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Lutz was a pretty numerous Schönbach family, and the firm “Brothers” Lutz even had a branch in Vienna in the Fleischmarkt from 1869 until 1907. You should never take a 19th C. Schönbacher who calls himself “Fabrikant” (factory owner) literally since every dealer there called himself that, even if he only had a few home-workers he paid on a casual basis in the cottage industry system. The Lutz instruments are the usual wide range of Dutzendarbeit, up to and including quite nice ones.
I wrote a longish essay on them (& there predecessors in the Vienna branch, Hoyer) for a customer several years ago (in German) which I could send you,if that would be any help.

 

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Lutz was a pretty numerous Schönbach family, and the firm “Brothers” Lutz even had a branch in Vienna in the Fleischmarkt from 1869 until 1907. You should never take a 19th C. Schönbacher who calls himself “Fabrikant” (factory owner) literally since every dealer there called himself that, even if he only had a few home-workers he paid on a casual basis in the cottage industry system. The Lutz instruments are the usual wide range of Dutzendarbeit, up to and including quite nice ones.
I wrote a longish essay on them (& there predecessors in the Vienna branch, Hoyer) for a customer several years ago (in German) which I could send you,if that would be any help.

 

 

Many thanks Mr. Saunders, I was sure you will not leave us without information about Brüder Lutz. I shall appreciate very much your kindly offer and be glad to have your essay, in spite of my poor knowledge of German.

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Anton Lutz

 

 

 

Anton Lutz wurde am 31. Oktober 1814 als Sohn des Geigenmachers und Meßners Ignatz Lutz in Schönbach bei Eger (Böhmen) geboren.

 

1869 wurde Anton Lutz, gemeinsam mit seinem 1843 in Schönbach geborenen Sohn  Ignaz Lutz und seinem Onkel Josef Fuchs Geschäftsnachfolger des Franz Hoyer.

 

Im Jahre 1815 ersuchte Franz Hoyer (vor 1800 in Schönbach bei Eger geboren) gemeinsam mit seinem Bruder Johann Hoyer erfolgreich um eine Bewilligung zur Eröffnung eines „Verschließgewölbes“ in Wien, obwohl die bürgerlichen Geigenmacher Wiens gegen die Entscheidung der Behörde Rekurs einlegten. Unter „Verschließgewölbe“ ist vermutlich vorwiegend Handel mit Instrumenten aus der vogtländischen Heimat zu verstehen.

 

Bereits 1818 sind die Brüder Hoyer in der Rotenturmstraße mit dem Firmennamen „musikalische Instrumenten Fabrik Gebrüder Hoyer“ zu finden. Man nannte sich im 19. Jahrhundert gerne „Fabrikant“, bzw. die Firma „Fabrik“, obwohl in Wahrheit keine Fabrik im heutigen Sinn bestand, sondern nur eine Reihe von Heimarbeitern, die Ihre handgemachten Instrumente zulieferten.

 

Johann Hoyer starb am 22. Feber 1820 in Wien, und die Firma „Gebrüder Hoyer wurde1821 aufgelöst. Zwischen 1821 und 1831 wurde eine „Verkaufsniederlage nächst der Kellnerhofgasse im sog. Graßhof, nur während der Marktzeit“ gemeldet. Im Jahre1832 wurde am alten Fleischmarkt, Haus Nr.695 gemeinsam mit einem weiteren Bruder, Andreas, eine Firma „Gebrüder Andreas und Franz Hoyer“ protokolliert. Das Sterbedatum des Franz Hoyer ist nicht bekannt, 1869 wurden jedoch Anton und Ignaz Lutz, sowie Josef Fuchs seine Geschäftsnachfolger.

               

Der Firma Lutz  & Co sind protokolliert am Fleischmark Nr. 10 von 1869 bis 1875. 1876 wurde nach Fleischmarkt Nr. 6. umgezogen, wahrend Die Fa. Wenzel Placht und Co. die Adresse Fleischmarkt No. 10 übernahm. Ab 1883 gab es auch eine Filiale in der Rotenturmstraße Nr. 29. Im Jahr 1889 wurde der Sohn, Ignaz Lutz alleiniger geschäftsnachfolger des nunmehr nach Schönbach zurückgekehrten Anton Lutz. Das Geschäft wurde bis zum Ableben von Ignaz Lutz im Jahre 1907 weitergeführt.

               

Anton Lutz wurde mehrmals ausgezeichnet, u.a. 1871 Medaillen in London, Graz, Eger, Linz und Triest; 1872 in Moskau; 1873 ein Silberne Medaille in Wolkersdorf, Bistritz und Paris sowie ein Verdienstmedallie bei der Wiener Weltausstellung im Jahre 1873.

 

Diese Bratsche wurde, vermutlich in Schönbach, im Auftrag der Wiener Firma Lutz, zwischen 1869 und 1875 gebaut, und trägt einen gedruckten Originalzettel im Inneren des Bodens:-

  1. Lutz & Comp.

Musik Instrumenten - & Saiten Fabriks

Niederlage

Wien Fleischmarkt 10

 

Der einteilige Boden, Zargen und Schnecke sind aus geflammtem Ahorn, die Decke aus mittelbreitjähriger Fichte gebaut. Das Instrument ist mit einem braunroten Lack überzogen.

 

                Die Bodenmaße über der Wölbung gemessen sind:-

 

                Länge                                                    393 mm.

                obere Breite                                         183 mm.

                mittlere Breite                                      126 mm.

                untere Breite                                        227 mm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks again. Next days I shall post some photos of cello, just for the record, but for that I have to make better ones, and engage someone more skillful with computer to do this for me.   

I realize the “Fabrik” produced also strings?

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As I mentioned in post #2 there wasn’t really a “Fabrik” (Factory) at all. 19th. C Austrian words like “Verkaufsniederlage” or “Verschließgewölbe” pretty much beggar coherent translation into present day English. When I first moved to Krems, I noticed an old shop with a big old sign outside that said “Postwertzeichenverschließstelle”, so I scratched my head, went in, wished them a good afternoon, and asked what on earth the sign meant. It turned out that they sold postage stamps. G’wölb, literally “Arch” is, even today, a derogatory dialect term for a grotty retail shop, although I don’t expect that it had the derogatory scent back then. “Niederlage” sounds particularly comical today, since in present day usage, a “Niederlage” is when you loose (e.g. a football match), although a 19th C. “Niederlage” would have meant a branch of a firm from elsewhere. It isn’t much different with the Medals: Last week a violin came in, labeled “Karl Wauschek, Musik-Instrumenten Fabrikant, Krems” boasting medals from Linz, Allentsteig, Wels, Krems, and Vienna, although in reality, it was a pretty grim Schönbach “Dutzendarbeit” (as Wauschek fiddles always are). The Technische Museum in Vienna, which I visited with my boy yesterday has, a fabulous collection of steam engines (not just locomotives, but steam engines for everything) from the Viennese World Exibition of 1873, where one can read that this exibition awarded 20.000 (twenty thousand!) medals, including one for our Lutz. This didn’t stop Gmünder boasting about his Viennese World Exibition medal back over in America either though.

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Translated by Google Translate:

 

Anton Lutz
 
 
 
Anton Lutz was born on 31 Born in October 1814, the son of violin maker and Messner Ignatz Lutz Schönenbach Eger (Bohemia).
 
In 1869 Anton Lutz, born in 1843, together with his son Ignaz Schönenbach Lutz and his uncle Josef Fuchs business successor of Franz Hoyer.
 
In 1815 Franz Hoyer requested (born in Schönenbach Eger before 1800) and his brother John Hoyer successfully for a license to open a "Verschließgewölbes" in Vienna, although the civil Geigenmacher Vienna appealing against the decision of the appeal authority. Under "Verschließgewölbe" is probably mainly trading with instruments to understand the Vogtland home.
 
Already in 1818, the Hoyer brothers in the Rotenturmstraße with the company name can be found "musical instruments factory Hoyer Brothers". It was called in the 19th Century like "producer" or the Company "factory", although in truth there was no factory in the modern sense, but only a number of home workers who zulieferten your handmade instruments.
 
John Hoyer died on 22 February 1820 in Vienna, and the company "Brothers Hoyer wurde1821 resolved. Between 1821 and 1831, a "sale next defeat (?) of the so-called Kellnerhofgasse Graßhof, only during the market time" is reported. In Jahre1832 695 was "brothers Andreas and Franz Hoyer" is logged along with another brother, Andrew, a company at the old meat market, the house. The date of death of Franz Hoyer is not known, but in 1869 and were Ignaz Anton Lutz, Josef Fuchs and his successors in business.
               
The Lutz & Co are logged at the meat market No. 10 from 1869 to 1875. 1876 ​​to No. 6 meat market moved, while the company Wenzel Placht and Co. address the meat market no. 10 took over. Beginning in 1883, there was also a branch in the Red Tower Road No. 29 In 1889 the son, Ignatius Lutz was the sole successor to the business now for Schönenbach returned Anton Lutz. The business was continued until the death of Ignaz Lutz in 1907.
               
Anton Lutz has been awarded several times, inter alia 1871 medals in London, Graz, Eger, Linz and Trieste, 1872 in Moscow, 1873 Silver Medal in Wolkersdorf, Bistrita and Paris as well as a Verdienstmedallie at the Vienna World Exhibition in 1873.
 
This viola was probably in Schoenbach, built by order of the Viennese firm Lutz, 1869-1875, and wearing a printed original label on the inside of the bottom: -
 
Lutz & Comp.

Musik Instrumenten - & Saiten Fabriks

Niederlage

Wien Fleischmarkt 10

 

 
The one-piece back, ribs and scroll are made of flamed maple, built the ceiling of medium wide grained spruce. The instrument is covered with a brownish-red paint.
 
                The base dimensions are measured on the vault -
 
                Length 393 mm.
                top width 183 mm.
                average width of 126 mm.
                bottom width of 227 mm.

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If I have understood correctly, simplified conclusion could be that firm “Brüder Lutz” was typical cottage industry with a branch for producing strings (Seiten).

Also, that medals Anton Lutz was awarded on numerous exhibitions are not of much importance, but still, he and his brother Ignatz were relevant violin makers.

 

But, according to its label, I suspect that OP cello was made during the period when the only owner of the firm was Lutz Josef I, second son of Anton, who died in1898.

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No, Gebrüder Lutz was a dealership that sourced the violins, zithers, guitars, keyboard-harps, keyboard zithers, strings and anything currently fashionable, in the Schönbach and area cottage industry. They were business people, not artisans. 

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No, Gebrüder Lutz was a dealership that sourced the violins, zithers, guitars, keyboard-harps, keyboard zithers, strings and anything currently fashionable, in the Schönbach and area cottage industry. They were business people, not artisans. 

 

 

That is what I meant first, the label looks like typical dealer’s label, not makers. Then, after reading your first post, don’t know why, I had turn in wrong direction. Thanks for the explanation.

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Your link reuires me to register and log in to “Imageshack” which I do not intend to do

 

 

Sorry, think I figured how to send images on another way, but have problem with resizing them. Tomorrow is a next day…

 

 

 

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It would appear to be a “Dutzendarbeit” of a cheaper grade with the ubiquitous dealer label. Some wretched repairman seems to have had quite a struggle with the centre joins!

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It would appear to be a “Dutzendarbeit” of a cheaper grade with the ubiquitous dealer label. Some wretched repairman seems to have had quite a struggle with the centre joins!

 

Yes it was a bitter struggle indeed. Thanks again for all informations.

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Hi guys,

I'm a university student looking to buy a new cello. I was wondering if someone could have a look at this cello' by J. T. Lutz and tell me the estimated price range?

More details in the link:

 

Thanks

Edited by Marcellist

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