christian bayon Posted July 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Red period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted July 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 My number hundred , Tchaikovsky plaid by Tatiana Samouil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted July 23, 2017 Report Share Posted July 23, 2017 1 hour ago, christian bayon said: My number hundred , Tchaikovsky plaid by Tatiana Samouil. Christian, that was an enjoyable performance. Congratulations on your 100th, and a very nice violin regardless of number. -Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 21/02/2016 at 4:23 PM, Húslař said: Start special topic in pegbox (as R. Hargrave with his first double-bass). On 08/09/2014 at 4:42 PM, Húslař said: I think that it is maybe secret but I must ask : Can You tell us more about varnishing - special about Your excellent ground. What type of pigments - in tubes, liquid or powdered? How long dry varnish layer? Have You UV chamber-how strong, what type of light? Thank You very much! Let´s give some explanation, since several people ask me about my way for varnish my instruments. 1st pic, the top is finished, 70 years old wood, it have already a nice color, darker along the center joint and the extremity of the board because years´s oxidation. 2th pic, After one week on my balcony and a size of very light hide glue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 then the first coat of ground: Aloe, gamboge, Strasbourg turpentine and few drops of catechou. All dissolved in alcohol. A bit of color but not too much for not have the grain color inversion, The winter wood must be always darker than the spring wood. If it´s too yellow, it will be impossible to have a natural result. Always better to under-done it and not over-done. Not too dark or too yellow. New maker try to have the ground very dark, if you look at classical ground, they are not that dark ( exepted the "Cristiani" Strad cello) and only some later maker like Pressenda have the end grain too stained. Here is the Arve Telefsen´s Del Gésù and the "Reynier" Stradivari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Húslař Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Thank You so much! I am looking forward to next steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I had to look up catechu, didn't know what that was. I wonder if henna would make a good stain. But the old cremona instruments like DelG and Strad can be almost bone white where they are worn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 On 7/30/2017 at 1:14 PM, christian bayon said: then the first coat of ground: Aloe, gamboge, Strasbourg turpentine and few drops of catechou. All dissolved in alcohol. A bit of color but not too much for not have the grain color inversion, The winter wood must be always darker than the spring wood. If it´s too yellow, it will be impossible to have a natural result. Always better to under-done it and not over-done. Not too dark or too yellow. New maker try to have the ground very dark, if you look at classical ground, they are not that dark ( exepted the "Cristiani" Strad cello) and only some later maker like Pressenda have the end grain too stained. Here is the Arve Telefsen´s Del Gésù and the "Reynier" Stradivari. Thanks for sharing your process, very generous. I used Catechu as well for my last ground on John Hart's recommendation. The color worked well in my ground. More important than your ingredients (for me) are the cautions of what not to do. -Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Hannafin Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Stunning work, and very enticing ground advice! I'll have to do some experiments soon...I think a long time ago I read here about the colors you dissolve in alcohol, but I couldn't get it to work for me. Just curious, is it the powdery catechu from Kremer? You mentioned adding drops...I wonder if it's sold in different ways maybe. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiamC Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Christian, you have some superb work here, it's nice to see the progression of your fine skills over these years Have you ever done any Guad models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted July 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2017 20 hours ago, Matthew Hannafin said: I'll have to do some experiments soon...I think a long time ago I read here about the colors you dissolve in alcohol, but I couldn't get it to work for me. Just curious, is it the powdery catechu from Kremer? You mentioned adding drops...I wonder if it's sold in different ways maybe. Thanks again! http://shop.kremerpigments.com/en/dyes-und-vegetable-color-paints/natural-organic-dyes-und-vegetable-color-paints/4971/catechu You dissolve it in 96º alcohol, mine come from Laverdure and it´s more red but I check on there web-site and it seems they don´t sell it any more. Don´t put too much, it´s only for cut the green in the yellow. 18 hours ago, NiamC said: Have you ever done any Guad models? Yes, not a lot but some, this was made in 2005 and it´s in my shop for some edge repair and varnish retouching. Of course the FFs are not from the Torino period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 First coat of varnish, Nunzio Dimunno amber varnish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Nice! Thanks Christian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 2th coat, same varnish but with a lot of red pigments, not very transparente but I´ll remove a lot of this varnish after, just leaving in a place were I want more shadow. Pigments: cinquasia rotgold and alizarin from Kremer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 This one is about to leave the shop. Baby-blues next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGerald StephenR Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Exquisite work as always Christian! DGSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 4, 2017 Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Where is its new home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2017 Thanks. Chapelle Musicale Reine Elisabeth, Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2017 1742 Guiseppe Guarnerius del Gésù teaching the young boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthsteph Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 That is seriously awesome. Is the varnish colour that yellow or is it almost completely worn off? It looks like it only has the ground applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 4 hours ago, thirteenthsteph said: Is the varnish colour that yellow or is it almost completely worn off? Looks like the varnish is gone, with just a light French polish to protect the wood. And maybe some dirt under the strings and a few traces of varnish here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_Molnar Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 No color varnish for sure. Just ground stain and a polish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 13 hours ago, thirteenthsteph said: That is seriously awesome. Is the varnish colour that yellow or is it almost completely worn off? It looks like it only has the ground applied. The varnish is worn of but you can see the original varnish in the C bout. The varnish is yellow, it' s why this violin is called "Canary Bird" Del Gèsú VS Joseph Filius Andrea Vs modern instrument. A true beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirteenthsteph Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 11 hours ago, christian bayon said: The varnish is worn of but you can see the original varnish in the C bout. The varnish is yellow, it' s why this violin is called "Canary Bird" Del Gèsú VS Joseph Filius Andrea Vs modern instrument. A true beauty. Yes, that's what I thought! So it's the Canary Bird, I couldn't find it, thank you. The Joseph filius really is beautiful. Such interesting photos, I hope you share more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian bayon Posted August 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 Red coat of varnish is dry, time to glue everything together, next steps will be polish the red varnish for make the wood grain more visible then put a transparent, slightly yellow coat of varnish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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