GoldenPlate Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 http://issuu.com/jammdesign/docs/ih-001_web?mode=embed&layout=http://skin.issuu.com/v/dark/layout.xml&showFlipBtn=true Lot 150 What are the thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 I only can get as far as Lot 128. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenPlate Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 That's page 128 The corresponding page for lot 150 is page 117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Ah! That makes more sense! LOL...thank you! At least now I'll know what the comments are about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Buchanan Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Bigger image here http://www.amati.com/music-shops/violins/for-sale/for-sale-at-auction-a-violin-by-nicolo-amati-cremona-1658.html if that helps (declaration of interest - although the image is on my website I have no stake in publicising them other than wishing them all the luck in the world) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hayday Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 It's quite an impressive violin - very good tonal qualities. I can understand why the Grand Pattern is so respected by players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 That you Paul (I & H banner)? Probably should introduce yourself for sake of context. Welcome and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitano Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 XD busted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Not really. The banner is pretty self-explanatory... but better to clarify the personality, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hayday Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Thanks Jeffrey. I'm Paul from Ingles & Hayday - we set up at the beginning of this year when we moved from Sotheby's. First time on the forum.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitano Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Welcome to the forum and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Paul, be careful to put on your shark repellant, it can get pretty rough around here!! Welcome, cheers. We can certainly appreciate your contributing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Chanot Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Hello Paul,what is your opinion re lot 139 ? Thanks & Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hayday Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Thanks for your welcome guys! The Georges Chanot violin: its a nice clean example for me, can't find any significant condition problems with it. It sounds pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterOB Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 This is the first time I have seen the "circle of" qualifier. How does this differ from "school of"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I don't think it's particularly different - Sothebys used this term instead of "school of". Their catalogue definition : "executed by a contemporary of the named maker and exhibits his characteristics". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Just took my first look at the e-catalogue. Great line up. Nice distinctive presentation. Will go through more carefully later when I have a little time. Pity that the photos of scrolls are a little small when displayed on the same page as top and back. Good luck with the auction and new venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I don't think it's particularly different - Sothebys used this term instead of "school of". Their catalogue definition : "executed by a contemporary of the named maker and exhibits his characteristics". Won't argue with that, Martin, but the catalogue glossary does distinguish between "workshop of" (made on the premises), "circle" (contemporary and characteristic but not necessarily under the direction of?) & "follower" (characteristic of but not necessary contemporary). It would be nice if the major houses agreed on one set of universal terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Catalogue #130: A former Alexrod collection instrument? The "attributed" Strad (Prince Ludwig of Bavaria) is documented by Pollens and featured on cozio.com : http://www.cozio.com/Instrument.aspx?id=1979 "According to the Hamma certificate, the table of this instrument was probably replaced, though Axelrod indicates that Dietmar Machold's father, Heinz-Joachim Machold, acquired the original table and reinstalled it.Associated with this instrument is a certificate written by Chardon & Fils in 1929. This certificate indicates that in 1851 the maker Anton Sitt of Prague constructed the back, ribs, and scroll for a table that they believed Stradivari had made as a replacement for an Amati violin. However, the Chardon & Fils certificate indicates that the back made by Sitt was of two pieces, whereas the back of the Ex-Prince Ludwig Ferdinand is of one piece. Furthermore, the top of the Ex-Prince Ludwig Ferdinand is not in the style of Amati. Thus, the Chardon & Fils certificate must not belong with this instrument. The back of this instrument is heavily damaged. There is a crack running from the bottom, just left of center, up to the lower right corner. There are also multiple cracks descending from the top." (New Jersey Symphony Orchestra Collection brochure from Violin Advisor, LLC, April, 2007) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I don't suppose the names Axelrod or Machold look that great in the "provenance" bit of an auction description Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Hebbert Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 Won't argue with that, Martin, but the catalogue glossary does distinguish between "workshop of" (made on the premises), "circle" (contemporary and characteristic but not necessarily under the direction of?) & "follower" (characteristic of but not necessary contemporary). It would be nice if the major houses agreed on one set of universal terms. Hmmm .... this issue keeps surfacing on Maestronet. Of course these terms are not exclusive to the violin world, and are widely used in all parallel trades - the art market, for example, which dwarfs the violin world. However, if it came to a court of law, terms such as these would be considered as relatively straightforward English language, so any arguments about the appearance or omission from the glossary would not be of issue. The glossary and conventions are a courtesy. They are also convenient because when accurately used, they produce a heavily distilled and very helpful grading system of attribution. But I don't believe that there is any mandate upon an auction house to provide a comprehensive glossary of terms, nor to absolutely stick by it. As long as a term has the same meaning that is found in the Oxford English Dictionary, it is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 I could swear an elephant just walked into the room ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Hayday Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 This is certainly an interesting violin - I would imagine there will be plenty of divergent views about this one. It even has the trace of what might be a ventral pin in the centre of the back, which is of course not something associated with Strad. Not straightforward at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin swan Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I can see that this violin must have presented all sorts of interesting challenges Can't help feeling it's slightly disingenuous to give information on the provenance of this violin up to 1949 .... how about after that? How do you formulate an estimate for something like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted April 19, 2013 Report Share Posted April 19, 2013 Here's the rest of the provenance (according to the gospel of cozio.com at least) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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