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Sleeping Beauty Violin Bow Stick?

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Perhaps "Sleeping Beauty" is more in demand than the  "Belle" or "Ariel" models? :lol:

 

What am I missing here?  I looked at the bid history, and it turned into a bizarre bidding war between mostly two bidders who kept at it for well over 6000 dollars worth, final price was $8,000.  If I saw this on eBay I'd blame it on trolls and expect a relisting. I look at the bow stick, which has nothing extraneous to recommend it like provenance that I can see, and wonder "what on Earth".  No claims are made for it.  I like the tip profile, but not $7000 worth.  It could be a Chinese Pernambuco for all I can tell, and I have several similar octagonal bow sticks laying around here right now.  Anyone else see an explanation for this sale?

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Maybe a good time to remind that the photos we get aren't good enough to be sure of anything most of the time.

Pretty much my point. On the basis of the photos and the [lack of a] description there's nothing to provide a rational basis for what we all just witnessed.  I've been hoping that someone who knows something useful would speak up and identify some factor I missed here, etc.  On the face of it it looks like an anonymous stick of unknown age just skyrocketed in value, so should we all be clearing out our piles of sticks we didn't think were worth rehairing and sending them to Tarisio, or what?.  C'mon, pundits, what does it mean??

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That would keep them busy! :)

"Auction house collapses under tons of kindling!! 'Brick and mortar' denial of service attack feared!!  Film at Eleven!!" :lol::ph34r:

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Well it looked like Joseph Lafleur to me.

That could explain a bit. Actually, after a run to the books,  it looks to me like it could have come from any of several French makers besides the younger Lafleur.  The head in the photo doesn't  quite look to me like what passes for "Lafleur school" (one of the very few photos available is here: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/violin-bow-lafleur-school-archet-282039811) but I don't know much about bows. 

 

What I did notice is that the blank was selected in such a way that the grain in the head descends gracefully from the top to the bottom of it in a curve that fits the space available in a quite unusual fashion.  Looks strong and artfully composed.  If I was going to pick any one reason to go overboard on the stick, I'd go with that.  Is that a Lafleur characteristic on original bows?

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There is one Jacques LaFleur in the Millant that has a very similar head.  He usually stamped his bows.  Is there any indication this bow has any stamp?  None of the book's examples have that kind of grain.

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No, it's listed as "Unstamped".  The Lafleurs had a shop, btw, so it could always be "workshop of", but that's pure supposition.  I'd guess that somebody's betting it's a Jacques Lafleur, and my gut hunch is that a player bought it based on the head grain to have it rebuilt.

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On looking more i might describe it as Pajeot -Lafleur school/workshop with possibly a touch of Gaulard. It doesnt seem to fit any one maker exactly. The wood looks like something Gaulard would probably have used without blinking twice but it doesnt have the usual heavy chamfers of the head like Gaulard. Lafleurs chamfers were all over the place,sometimes hardly any,often normal looking other times strange personal things like one bow that was sold as attributed to Lafleur at Bonhams last year for 20K + GBP that had the back of the head in two ultra wide chamfers.

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19958/lot/108/

 

It hasnt as much forehead for usual Pajeot stuff,though the `pushed forward look of the head ` looks like him.

Its hard to tell what the wood is from the Tarisio photos, could be pernmbuco ,amourette or some exotique wood.Both Pajeot and Lafleur were known to use strongly  dark veined wood.

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Still not sure of the wood,could even be pernambuco cut in an less than ideal angle.

 

heres some photos for comparison of head shape.

Top two are by Etienne Pajeot ,

Next four are Pajeot school.

Followed by Pajeot /Gaulard  and a Gaulard.

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Still not sure of the wood,could even be pernambuco cut in an less than ideal angle.

 

heres some photos for comparison of head shape.

Top two are by Etienne Pajeot ,

Next four are Pajeot school.

Followed by Pajeot /Gaulard  and a Gaulard.

To my eyes, the greatest similarity is with the second head shown, and the last two, none of the others have the subtle curvature on the bottom.Those 3 also have the greatest similarity of wood grain.  I feel the closest match for shape is the Pajeot /Gaulard. 

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For those who have been dying to know about this bow, the bow has now been certified by Isaac Salchow as a genuine E. Pajeot.

As I suspected.

A superb bow of exceptional beauty, excellent playability & balance.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/lightbox/home/Camera%20Uploads

 

The link didn't work for me, but thank you very much for solving the mystery for us! Congratulations on the excellent purchase. Clearly you have a fine eye. After looking at the photos provided by fiddlecollector, I felt like the bottom two were the closest match. The chamfer on the rear edges of the head were good clues as was the "slanted back" shape of the head. I didn't notice the curvature that Violadamore saw -- still in training...

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I cant see any photos either despite signing in.

I still think Lafleur or Gaulard had a hand in it along with Pajeot. I suspect if this bow was shown to Millant or Raffin without any reference to Salchow they would give a slightly different conclusion. There is an awful lot of Pajeot /Lafleur/Gaulard workshop or school bows , and i doubt any of the experts get these correct everytime.

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