David Beard Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Were these part of classical making, or a later development? Does anyone know the history? Are small planes part of the Strad Museum's tool inheritance? I'm curious. Also wondering about buying these. So far I haven't. I've just been using fine feather cuts with the gouge, followed by scraping. I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having these, but maybe I'm wrong? Wondering both about their value and their historical place. Are there other makers who don't really use small planes? My smallest plane today is about 3 inches long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bress Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Small planes were used by Strad. http://kevinleeluthier.com/stradivari_tools/StradivariusTools.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Jacoby Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 I love them. Don't go cheap, though. I had to replace every chinese knockoff I bought in school to save money. Ibex is king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Burgess Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 "History of Small Violin Planes??" I'm waiting for someone to post a photo of a 1/2 size violin with wings and a propeller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjohnbarleycorn Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 ha. The planes in the pic seem to have much more of a belly curve and longer than you see today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan slobodkin Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 There are lots of patterns of planes and I think they've been used by violinmakers for many years. As someone else commented there are small planes in the Strad museum. I personally don't like the Ibex planes particularly, they are nicely made but are a bit wider than I like. I have 12 planes in four different sizes from about 2 inches long to a half inch. Most of them are the ones which were being sold to the students of the Cremona school in the early 80's. they are nicely shaped but a bit light some people might want to add a bit of lead inside . I have some others which are are copies made of Simone Sacconis' planes I think all of the comercial planes will need some modification as do just about any tool you buy. They are basically blanks.( The Ibex are an exception but as i said I don't like the shapes) I had blades made for mine from high speed steel hacksaw stock and have regular, toothed and flat soles in each of the four sizes with different colored wood wedges so I don't grab the wrong one by mistake. There are sets of three planes from Gunther Dick available through H. Core Co. or International Violin that would be a good start for a beginner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Beard Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I guess I might try making some planes about the size and shape of the ones in the museum. That sort plane design does look too difficult to make. I like the little bend curls at the back end of the blades. Looks like that would aide in setting and adjusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmccarthy Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 If you've $4200 to spare here's a "Stunning 16th Century Violin Plane" for sale on Ebay. You can of course get an equally stunning plane for less than $100 but this one has a lot of "history" attached to it. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stunning-16th-Century-Violin-Plane-/330869154279?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D5677875579288611520%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D330869154279%26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Doe Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I imagine that thumb planes existed prior to the violin making era and were used for other purposes, they were just "adopted" and modified by violin makers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I`d like to see him prove that its 16th century! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRobinson Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Item 133 on page 11 of this catalog: www.hansbrunnertools.gil.com.au/Marchsalefinal.pdf was 3 AMT planes. Apparently not made any more, they remind me of the Ibex. Does anyone know the story? Regards, Tim Edit: Sorry, am unable to insert link as a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berl Mendenhall Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I`d like to see him prove that its 16th century! I'm with you, that plane looks mighty suspicious to me. Way to suspicious to drop $4200.00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmccarthy Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 This guy sure knows how to charge. $10080.00 for this " 7 Brass 17th/18th Century Instrument Maker's Planes" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Brass-17th-18th-Century-Instrument-Makers-Planes-/330864679325?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d0912599d It's a nice set but that price seems way over priced to me. Having said that, he's a serious dealer so probably knows the market very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Item 133 on page 11 of this catalog: www.hansbrunnertools.gil.com.au/Marchsalefinal.pdf was 3 AMT planes. Apparently not made any more, they remind me of the Ibex. Does anyone know the story? AMT (American Machine and Tool Co.) was a good company (maybe still in business but not selling tools). I should have bought a set when they were available and cheap. Probably made in Taiwan but seem to be close copies of Ibex. I bought their "pull gouges" and cabinet scraper set. All high quality. I don't know when they quit the tool business, but it was several years ago. Many years ago I had a small table saw that they sold for about $20 without motor. I sincerely wish I had kept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjohnbarleycorn Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 AMT was a good company (maybe still in business but not selling tools). I should have bought a set when they were available and cheap. Probably made in Taiwan but seem to be close copies of Ibex. I bought their "pull gouges" and cabinet scraper set. All high quality. I don't know when they quit the tool business, but it was several years ago. Many years ago I had a small table saw that they sold for about $20 without motor. I sincerely wish I had kept it. I also have the pull planes, but I do not use them that much, what do you use them for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhook Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 I used to use them mostly for hollowing plates but don't much anymore. I have too many choices and tend to forget that they are in the drawer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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