Mike D Report post Posted December 3, 2012 Hello I haven't invested in a hide glue setup yet. But I have some violins to setup so I was wondering what most people use for glueing the nut on? I bought a setup DVD but it didnt say what he used. Although it looked like dab of Elmers. Thanks Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
James M. Jones Report post Posted December 3, 2012 Hello I haven't invested in a hide glue setup yet. But I have some violins to setup so I was wondering what most people use for glueing the nut on? I bought a setup DVD but it didnt say what he used. Although it looked like dab of Elmers. Thanks Mike hide glue ...just a dab.... you don't need a glue pot, just a quick pot of water to @160-170 F with the glue in a small glass jar with a lid about as simple as possible... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FiddleDoug Report post Posted December 3, 2012 I use a couple of tiny dots of Elmers. Doesn't take much to hold it. The string pressure holds it on pretty well, and a small amount of glue will make it easier for the next person to work on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conor Russell Report post Posted December 3, 2012 I must confess that it's the only place where I use white glue. Just two tiny spots on the nut on the neck facing surface. I cut a little chamfer on the inner corner of the nut too, so that no glue will ever squeeze around onto the fingerboard end. The nut pops off very easily when the board is to be shot, and can always be reused. Missed your post Fiddledoug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad Dorsey Report post Posted December 3, 2012 I use a couple of tiny dots of Elmers... I do the same. In theory, the nut does not need to be glued on at all, because the strings hold it in place. But you do want it glued on lightly so it won't fall off if you take the strings off. Glue it lightly, please, because the nut needs to be removed everytime the fingerboard is planed, and I might be the one to plane your fingerboard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 3, 2012 heresy!!! hide glue only, what could possibly be better about any other type of glue, but you can use dilute hide glue like when glueing a top on, same with fingerboards, saddles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike D Report post Posted December 3, 2012 Thanks everyone! I do like the idea of hide glue better. Guess i might as well get going with that. But Ill use Elmers on the Chinese no-name a friend asked me todo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesgarfield Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Just use a little dab of wood glue. No big deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 4, 2012 so this is what maestronet has come to, a bunch of hacks recommending elmers glue for violins, ill have you know that once you use elmers youve ruined the glueing surface for future real repairman to use hide glue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oded Kishony Report post Posted December 4, 2012 The glue (should) be applied to the endgrain of the fingerboard rather than the maple of the neck. OK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Report post Posted December 4, 2012 so this is what maestronet has come to, a bunch of hacks recommending elmers glue for violins, ill have you know that once you use elmers youve ruined the glueing surface for future real repairman to use hide glue Lyndon, I use two tiny dots of titebond wood glue on the nut as well, so I am a hack, but a hack in good company. I do this because it is quick and easy and harmless. And because Hans Nebel told me to. Does that make Hans Nebel a hack? Please Lyndon, do not listen to hacks such as us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmccarthy Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Han's even has his own brand of wood glue, specifically for these types of jobs. And he ain't no hack!! ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conor Russell Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Yes. A tiny drop of wood glue means less hacking in the long run. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 4, 2012 yes that would make hans nebel a hack (in this respect) if he actually said that which i doubt, what could be possibly wrong about using hide glue??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmccarthy Report post Posted December 4, 2012 yes that makes hans nebel a hack (if i can even believe you) in my book, I wouldn't go there if I were you Lyndon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conor Russell Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Lyndon, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using hide glue. The important thing is to use very little, so that the nut can pop off easily. I use white glue because it's handy, and because it doesn't spread out and glue the entire surface, just squeezes out to two areas a few mm across; just enough to hold the nut on while it's being shaped. If you're very concerned about this, try sizing the surface with thin glue, letting it dry, and then using a tiny drop of glue. The size will protect the neck from direct contact with the white glue, and you'll rest assured that you've done the right thing, as it can be washed off. P.S. I hope you're joking, but it's not nice to be called a hack Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 4, 2012 if your glueing a violin with elmers glue, your a hack in my book and no im not joking...... as i said before for the people that seem to be a little dense on the updraw, once youve glued the nut with elmers glue, youve ruined the ability of the glueing surface to use hide glue in the future without chiseling away the elmers glue junk, the reason serious restorers dont use elmers or other carpenters wood glue is because its not reversible and cant be simply cleaned up with hot water like hide glue, do i really need to be telling you this!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conor Russell Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Who the hell is Elmer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Report post Posted December 4, 2012 yes that would make hans nebel a hack (in this respect) if he actually said that which i doubt... Not only did he say it, I stood there and watched him do it! And calling one of the most respected restorers in this business, a person who shared a bench with Sacconi, a hack because you don't agree with a particular method makes you... Well Lyndon, you've shown yourself to be what you are time and time again. Why bother? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 4, 2012 yes i am, if thats what he said, but why would i believe you, the thought of someone glueing the nut on a strad with elmers glue does make me shudder, though Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FiddleDoug Report post Posted December 4, 2012 yes i am, if thats what he said, but why would i believe you, the thought of someone glueing the nut on a strad with elmers glue does make me shudder, though I didn't really want to get into this ruckus, but I'm also a student of Hans Nebel, and he does use a couple of tiny drops of Elmers to glue nuts on. I also hate to tell you that not too many original Strad nuts and fingerboards still exist, so he's not gluing Strad materials. I would also like to refer you to current bow repair practices. Hide glue is rarely used these days for anything related to bows. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LinkMan Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Who the hell is Elmer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conor Russell Report post Posted December 4, 2012 Surely he only makes rabbit skin glue.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robertdo Report post Posted December 4, 2012 I guess if you happen to have some hot hide glue at hand when you are to fix the nut, then you use hide glue. If you don't, you use other glue that you don't have to heat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lyndon Report post Posted December 4, 2012 well in that case i guess your all nuts, or just plain too lazy to spend 5 minutes heating up some dilute hide glue!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
