1857 Nurnberger Violin and silver bows

[azalea]

Hello,

Hoping someone can help me. I have a violin that is engraved/carved on the inside with the following, "Reprinter Berlin 1857". I was told by the local Luthier that it is a Nurnberger. There are also two bows, one silver, the other has some nickel also Nurnberger. Does anyone know what that engraving means? Also, a Nurnberger w/that date would be Franz Albert Senior??? Any idea on value? No photo, they are at the Luthier.

Thanks!

[lyndon]

1857 berlin wouldnt sign in english are you sure its not reparauter?? correct my spelling eg repaired

[azalea]

It was very dirty we had a hard time reading it - it is being cleaned but it said reprinter. Reprinter isn't exactly English - what is a reprinter? I looked it up and basically what I gather is it would be a copyrighter / patent information. Would an old violin have an original that would have served as the patent model? Is that possible?

[fiddlecollector]

A reprinter was some one who reprinted or copied something without permission . Saxony broght in laws to prevent these `reprinters` . A label like that sounds like a copy of a makers work.

[azalea]

Thanks all - very much appreciated. I'll take some photos once it has been cleaned and post them. If it were a "reprint" hopefully, that doesn't have to mean it's not of good quality. The bows were definitely signed "Nurnberger" and one was definitely silver - perhaps the bows will be worth more than the violin! Thanks again.