arglebargle Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 So, I've been working on a Santo Seraphin model and I finally got one that I am pretty happy with. I would love to have some new eyes on it and get some feedback as to the accuracy, and an overall impression with the look of the model. Does it strike you as recognizable as Seraphin? Why and why not? Thanks guys! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Are you copying the David Laurie? Purfling looks great for the widths and such he used - Outline looks awesome. F holes great - doing awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Here is the 1740c David Laurie (one of my fav Seraphins) it auctioned at Sothebys. One of the more cleaner elegant f-holes that were carved. Lets compare 2 instruments. One small note - in your wings of your f-holes - note how these 2 instruments they trapezoid down - look at your f-holes and kinda see if you can do that - I think you have plenty of room to work with. You have the purfling widths spot on when you zoom into the photo of the David Laurie. Looks great. The upper and lower wings of your f-holes look awesome and clean and really look close to the David Laurie The Jacques Francais black and whites show really good closeups of the scroll to look at where you can see some of the detail how he carved the scroll - unfortunately not really clear. The back of the David Laurie is absolutely STUNNING. If you are going to be authentic - dont forget to add pins. Even if they are fake. If you notice in the Jacques Francais back of the scroll photo there is a bit of a rolled edge on the scroll - I'll try and see if I can dig a better photo. Possibly others have some great photos of Seraphin they would be willing to share. The other photo is an example how Seraphin would vary on his f-holes - note how the eyes have HUGE EYES in this example from Ifshin violins on their website. Seraphin violins you have plenty of room for interpretation. Good job keep up the good work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Thanks Andrew. The outline is from the 1740 Seraphin portfolio published by Cremonabooks. It's not my favorite example, but the format of the portfolio makes for an easy template/mold. I used other examples from various sources, books, etc. to fill out the rest of the info. I was able to look at the examples from the AFVBM archive, and those two examples are among the best around, in my opinion. I was a little concerned that the f-holes might be a little too far afield from standard models, but that's the way he made them, so there you go. Thanks for looking. Just saw you next post. Great observations. Seraphin's scroll have always been among my favorites, particularly the back of the pegbox. Perhaps a more restrained f-hole next time. I'm not sure what you mean by "trapazoid down". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Ah ok I know which one you are talking about now. Seraphin was wild with his f-holes! Then again.... Del Gesu was often on crack The incurve was more amati style - not so hooky like you have now but a gentle curve in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 More like this Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Got it. Good point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Looks quite nice, good to see people attempting different models than usual. Heres a birdseye maple version. Some nice instruments now on this site. http://www.muziekinstrumentenfonds.nl/289/collectie/instrumenten/instrument/?id=372 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bmccarthy Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Heres a birdseye maple version. Very elegant, long corners on that instrument, remind me of the Allard. Nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 http://www.muziekins...trument/?id=372 Great example of what I love about his scrolls. Very organic while still maintaining elegance. Yum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I would have tapered the back of the scroll a bit more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Very nice photos. - Ive imbedded the instrument dimensions and copyright into the images. Thanks for sharing fiddlecollector! Sanctus Seraphin, Venice, 1750 Nationaal Muziekinstrumenten Fonds Body 355 Upper 166.5 Middle 108 Lower 206 Mensur 193 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fiddlecollector Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Chris Reunings CDROM of Venetian instruments is a must have if you like the Venice school, gorgeous photos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
~ Ben Conover Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Interesting work, I'd like to make a Seraphin form someday. Your scroll throat looks a bit tight for Seraphin, I'd open it up and deepen it quite a bit. Are you using pearwood purfling ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Beard Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 There's also something distinctive in the shape and proportion of Seraphin's throats. As seen in other makers, the throat comes pretty close to 1/3 the height. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arglebargle Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 The purfling is pearwood. Yeah, I've always been a bit overly cautious with my throats. Seraphin clearly did not have that problem. I'll have at it some more, perhaps a fortifying jolt of scotch will get the courage up. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cbouts Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Chris Reunings CDROM of Venetian instruments is a must have if you like the Venice school, gorgeous photos. Absolutely. Recently been going off on the venetians and the french makers myself - could spend three lifetimes studying the photos and handing instruments of the past and never get any of my own work done HAHAH. On the whiteboard behind me I have a list of books I need to order but have to make more instruments and pay off medical bills before I get more eyecandy to study. Cheers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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