Oldtimerr Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 What! After 19 pages on the most famous Roth in history no one on this board has yet to congratulate Jesse on his $7000+ sale? Well I do, and keep up the good work Jesse, but am shocked that the post is now locked for ever! I hope you do not mind my giving it a "name". Perhaps a book will be written about it some day. I understand that Jeff will never leave town again. And Best of Luck with you new Roth listing Jesee, as there should not be 19 pages on this one. It's a beauty. OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbow Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I'll second that Congratulation, Oldtimer! Jesse took a lot of flak from a few attackers but, always the gentleman, Jesse responded with . politeness and grace . I would say the "Class act" won! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violadamore Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 The bidding history looks like someone who hadn't bid on it before dashed in and got it with 3 seconds to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I also think that Jesse deserves to be congratulated on this sale. According to my Red Book, only one Roth violin has ever sold at auction for more than he got for this one -- a "circa 1920" that Tarisio sold a year ago for $8400. One reason that Jesse is able to do so well compared with the "real" violin auction houses is his return-for-any-reason policy that it is impractical for the others to match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Is it really that surprising for a violin to sell at that price? I thought EH Roth was quite a known luthier of early 20th century. Apart of all what was said about the age of the violin, is $8000 such a uncommon price? I have seen many web sites where brand new violins are sold at that price. And recently Manfio sold one viola for much more than that. Anyway, looking at the picture again I have noticed vhat even the F-hole on the treble side looks completely free from any dent that could come from soundpost moving or resetting. Is it common for old violins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I have my sick bag ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Is it really that surprising for a violin to sell at that price? I thought EH Roth was quite a known luthier of early 20th century. Apart of all what was said about the age of the violin, is $8000 such a uncommon price? I have seen many web sites where brand new violins are sold at that price. And recently Manfio sold one viola for much more than that. Anyway, looking at the picture again I have noticed vhat even the F-hole on the treble side looks completely free from any dent that could come from soundpost moving or resetting. Is it common for old violins? Robert, you do realise these are just mass produced instruments?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 do i think congratulations are in order for selling a factory violin for more than its worth, with misinformation in the description, not exactly!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbow Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 do i think congratulations are in order for selling a factory violin for more than its worth, with misinformation in the description, not exactly!! It's time to let it go, Lyndon. We've 'Been there -- Done that' ! You guys had 19 pages last week to state your objections. This was an auction and people bid what they felt it was worth with all things considered! It's time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 It's time to let it go, Lyndon. We've 'Been there -- Done that' ! You guys had 19 pages last week to state your objections. This was an auction and people bid what they felt it was worth with all things considered! It's time to move on. Are you seriously asking Lyndon to say: “congratulations for selling a factory violin for more than its worth, with misinformation in the description” ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbow Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Are you seriously asking Lyndon to say: “congratulations for selling a factory violin for more than its worth, with misinformation in the description” ??? Well, Jacob. I didn't ask Lyndon to say that! Sometimes it's better to just say nothing.. Enough Too much has been said already IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 i think the price was rather low for a pahdah auction with this much exposure, and would have gone much higher if it had a markneukirchen stamp, and no i dont think the red book includes ebay sales or should do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank face Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Hi! I am new here, just because I was really fascinated about this 19 pages discussion. I like EBay listings like this Roth. I like Harry Potter, too. And Brothers Grimm. And I am really fascinated how much money is to earn with this kind of stories. Once upon a time I must try it by myself to buy me some good bones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbow Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 i think the price was rather low for a pahdah auction with this much exposure, and would have gone much higher if it had a markneukirchen stamp, and no i dont think the red book includes ebay sales or should do so. Lyndon, I think we would all agree that the Roth price would have gone higher if everything was in perfect order. This is why I previously said "This was an auction and people bid what they felt it was worth with all things considered! I don't mean to shang-hai this thread but sellers can have even worse problems with Auction Houses as evidenced by this story a few months ago. (Of course Auction houses don't allow discussion by possible bidders with 364 posts on MN while the auction is going on.) Haven't been able to find out how this sad story turned out. Does anyone know? http://www.violinist...is/20128/13881/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Haven't been able to find out how this sad story turned out. Does anyone know? http://www.violinist...is/20128/13881/ It`s here: http://www.maestrone...ly-unavailable/ sadness being a point of view: the woman not being allowed to unilaterally break a contract with Skibay is "sad" Selling an unknowing third party a mis-represented fiddle is cause for congratulation......Strange place, America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbow Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Thanks Jacob You make a good point. The "Skibay" incident was certainly a difficult situation for both parties. Glad it's settled ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 It`s here: http://www.maestrone...ly-unavailable/ sadness being a point of view: the woman not being allowed to unilaterally break a contract with Skibay is "sad" Selling an unknowing third party a mis-represented fiddle is cause for congratulation......Strange place, America Yes, but this sort of thing is not just limited to America. The violin that was the subject of the blog went unsold and was returned to the owner. The 19 page thread is a grim (self) reminder of why I choose not to comment publicly on violins in the process of being offered for sale... I enjoyed the Markneukirchen exhibit at the VSA. No price tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 I enjoyed the Markneukirchen exhibit at the VSA. No price tags. I thought the paper you were given; "Violin-making in the Musikwinkel" from Mr Wisehart was particularly good. I have never seen all of that published in english before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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