Magnus Nedregard Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I thought we need a general thread about peculiarities we encounter on different instruments, no need to have an unique thread for each of them!? Now what does this lining and corner construction make you think of, like, school-wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vathek Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Don't know what school but if he's splitting the corners vertically and the letting them into the corner block that seems like awesome tech work to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 It looks to my eye,like an overlapping upper bout ,indicating an inside form, the splits are not splits but wedge cuts,that I understand to be Cremonesse...looks like a pretty loose fit on the upper bout to block joint.From the shape of the block, a more or less equal triangle, It seems like a diagonal block form, rather than a square corner block design, ...counter indicating period Cremonesse work. I'm a total newb on this aspect, and just taking wild guesses. it would be nice to see a few more angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Nedregard Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 At least, he has a characteristic way of doing it. On the contrary I think it looks obviously an outside mould corner/lining... but I don't think I've seen exactly like that before. The rest of the fiddle looked perhaps vaguely Prague/Czech-ish like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 At least, he has a characteristic way of doing it. Obviously an outside mould system... but I don't think I've seen exactly like that before. The rest of the fiddle looked perhaps vaguely Prague/Czech-ish like to me. What makes you say out side mould? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Nedregard Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 What makes you say out side mould? Just a feel, the overlapping upper bout may occur on an outside mould system too... but as a rule you see both ends of the ribs, and/or the corners meet rather in a point/parallel fashion. Right you are; on this corner the outside rib has a little bit the overhand, but the block isn't really filling up the corner, looks pushed in afterwards, and is centered on the corner. Looking very closely you will see both ends are sort of pointed at the ends, from the inside. But I wasn't there while he did it :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Reminds me of some German students work I saw, pointed lining ends. Why do people use the outside mould anyway...seems difficult. I like this unusal pegbox, but don't know why the shape, maybe just fashion ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I like this unusal pegbox, but don't know why the shape, maybe just fashion ? That was the model of peg box on practically all 18th & 19C Austrian/Bohemian Basses, except that that one has either been horribly mutilated with new "cheeks", or is a replacement "in the style of" (made prior to cataract surgery) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 ok thanks jacob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.B.Fiddler Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 ...Why do people use the outside mould anyway...seems difficult. My understanding was that an outside mould allows the reproduction of the exact same rib outline. I am happy to be corrected if I am mistaken... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernhard Ritschard Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I like this unusal pegbox, but don't know why the shape, maybe just fashion ? Maggini made scrolls like that on his basses, here's a painting by Evaristo Baschenis (Bergamo, 1617-1677): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowan Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Maggini made scrolls like that on his basses, here's a painting by Evaristo Baschenis (Bergamo, 1617-1677): What an interesting painting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Sure is a great painting, great perspective even on the foreshortened fiddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Funnily, most of the instruments are up side down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 True, and there's not room for a bridge on that bass if the table is supposed to be flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlewallop Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Why the points on the ends of the linings? Visually interesting, but is there a functional reason for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 there is an article on R. Hargrave's website where he is discussing the building methods of different makers, and one of the points concerns the way these different makers were mortising their linings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Why the points on the ends of the linings? Visually interesting, but is there a functional reason for them? My theory so far is, no real "function" to the points themselves ,more an artifact of method....just a few knife cuts to make a mortice...rather than needing a square chisel for the mortice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernie R Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Funnily, most of the instruments are up side down. I believe many of these paintings are allegories of death. Perhaps the instruments are discarded, unstrung? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Yes, It's definitely a "nature morte", and I couldn't help noticing that the violin was the one showed top up. Maybe another symbol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ Ben Conover Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Whallop, I'm not sure there's any advantage to making pointy lining ends, other than at the end blocks where a 45 deg bevel helps keep em tight n snug. Actually, when morticing the centre bout linings I leave a bit of slack at each end to ensure the lining will push right in and fit well....if the ends were pointed, the slack would mean the ends would not fit ! Hi Bernie, nice idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I think I saw a video with a maker describing the same kind of pointy mortice. He was pointing to the fact that it was an easy way to adapt the length of the C bout lining. I can't explain because it would take me too many words, even though the idea is simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janito Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Funnily, most of the instruments are up side down. Probably nothing funny, but rather deliberate messaging that we cannot easily decipher. See this masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Probably nothing funny, but rather deliberate messaging that we cannot easily decipher. See this masterpiece. What's your interpretation of the scull?Is it the death of superstition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hart Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I believe many of these paintings are allegories of death. Perhaps the instruments are discarded, unstrung? Looks to me like the artist found the tops to complicated, turned the instrument over and thought 'aha!'. Backs are more beautiful, and easier to paint. This particular painting looks like an exercise. (Note the fruit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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