Italian violin?

[Dani Tsui]

Hi.

The seller claims that it is a italian violin, without label, but it comes with a invoice from Vincenzo Lo Turco's athelier, dated from 1924.

What do you think?

Thanks.

http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-441647853-violino-italiano-com-nota-fiscal-original-datada-de-1924-_JM

[jacobsaunders]

Straight forward Schönbach box

[T Ford]

Jacob, forgive me if I've missed it elsewhere, but would you share your 'Schoenbach checklist'?

[Ratcliffiddles]

I beg to disagree with Jacob, as I don't personally think that one is a straightforward Schönbach. Things may well have happened to the varnish on the body, but I can't equate some characteristics with the usual Schönbach box. Including choice of wood, edgework and head. Although it doesn't excite me much, in fact not at all....

[lorenzo pedersano]

Could be an advanced amateur Italian fiddle. Back,side views,front, of head show possibility of Italian origin. Definately not Schoenbach or German at all. Also possible Hungarian or other low country. Any real expert or serious student of violins would never make a definative statement of origin without actually having the violin in his or her hands. Many other details which are not shown in the pictures must be considered including measurements all around , rib height, rib height tapering, interior details including lining material type, corner block details and lining to block joints. It would take too long to cover all the things that must be considered here. Another detail that makes German and Schoenbach highly unlikely is the taper and width of the ff hole tails. No one or 2 or even 3 or 4 details make identification of a violin such as this certain. The whole must be considered . In any case , It is not a violin that I am interested in as it is advanced amateur at best.

It probably is worth the asking price, if the varnish is original which would require the violin to be in my hands to acertain. Just not for me!

[jacobsaunders]

Could be an advanced amateur Italian fiddle. Back,side views,front, of head show possibility of Italian origin. Definately not Schoenbach or German at all. Also possible Hungarian or other low country. Any real expert or serious student of violins would never make a definative statement of origin without actually having the violin in his or her hands. Many other details which are not shown in the pictures must be considered including measurements all around , rib height, rib height tapering, interior details including lining material type, corner block details and lining to block joints. It would take too long to cover all the things that must be considered here. Another detail that makes German and Schoenbach highly unlikely is the taper and width of the ff hole tails. No one or 2 or even 3 or 4 details make identification of a violin such as this certain. The whole must be considered . In any case , It is not a violin that I am interested in as it is advanced amateur at best.

It probably is worth the asking price, if the varnish is original which would require the violin to be in my hands to acertain. Just not for me!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloviating

[lyndon]

since when is hungary one of the low countries?

[Conor Russell]

I can't say that I know where this came from, it looks like an overworked German fiddle to me. I wonder can most amateur work, it's very nature being outside of the trade, be attributed to any school or country. A violin-making style is founded in a working method, and then the hands of the maker himself. The suggestion that this may be the work of an Italian amateur would seem to me to be without foundation. It could just as easily be from England. A great many fiddles have heads and bodies from the German or French trades, just as people are getting parts from China now.

[bean_fidhleir]

since when is hungary one of the low countries?

Indeed. Next he'll be claiming Magyar is an Indo-Euro language.

[Addie]

Indeed. Next he'll be claiming Magyar is an Indo-Euro language.

It isn’t? Next you’ll tell me Finnish and Basque aren’t either.