actonern Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Has anyone heard of this instrument before? http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1062852--rare-violin-awaits-its-concert-debut?bn=1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 i suspect short of some serious certificates, we may not hear of it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Molnar Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 not before a couple days ago, here is some more info on it, http://www.tso.ca/Media-Room/1112-Season-Overview/ex-Wm-Kroll-Guarneri-del-Ges-1738-violin.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Molnar Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 more video, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 thats not the kind of certificates i was thinking of, darren, i was thinking more along the line of charles beare in london, or at least bein and fushi in chicago, i dont know much about this heinl in toronto, i can just say this isnt the first sensationalist story if seen in the media coming out of their shop, why are they so afraid to show good pictures of it, is it camera shy, makes no sense...... well according to their website, heinl is a "bein and fushi"(my term) equivalent for canada, the top shop in the country by their claim on their website, if this is true they may well be able to appraise an original del gesu with undisturbed original label as they report, i hope this is true, however i looked and there are no pictures or stories about the violin on their website, which seems strange, just the link to the you tube above with its lousy pictures, i was just about to post the link before darren beat me to it, thanks darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 "Dr.Pong" sounds like an april fools joke, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 now come on jacob, do you even know what saunders sounds like in chinese, maybe you could ask dr pong!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'm sure it sounds very distingished in chinese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 in america its col sanders or saunders the founder of kentucky fried chicken, linden is a kind of tree a wood sometimes used in violins, but its actually more important for the keys on german clavichords, what all this has to do with canadian del gesus, who knows!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysticpaw Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 You know .... I've never seen a violinist hold their violin by the G peg ... and this fellow does it TWICE !!! ...must do wonders for the tuning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I believe this is an instrument I saw about 8 years ago in pieces. If so, it was a nice example, and really typical--nothing to debate about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinfan Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 The 'ex-Dykes, Stephens, Kroll' is in good hands. Jonathan Crow is a fantastic violinist. I've watched him in person and hope to see and hear a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinfan Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 You know .... I've never seen a violinist hold their violin by the G peg ... and this fellow does it TWICE !!! ...must do wonders for the tuning Looks kind of scary to me (holding the violin by a peg), but I've seen a number of seasoned violinists do it. One of them is Igor Yuzefovich, assistant concertmaster of the Baltimore Symphony and recently-appointed concertmaster of the Hong Kong Philharmonic. http://www.igory.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 before we make a really big deal of this, because it sounds really exciting, how about we get charles beares opinion AND LOTS OF REALLY GOOD PICTURES otherwise what weve got here is almost another "stradivari in the attic story" and we all know how those usually end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 before we make a really big deal of this, because it sounds really exciting, how about we get charles beares opinion AND LOTS OF REALLY GOOD PICTURES otherwise what weve got here is almost another "stradivari in the attic story" and we all know how those usually end The link from post #3 says: There is an oral history placing the violin in 1885 at Hart & Son; in 1918 with Dykes and W. E. Hill & Sons; in 1923 with Rudolph Wurlitzer of New York, followed by Stephens and then American soloist and composer Kroll. What is a Hart/Dykes/Hill/Wurlitzer "Oral History" please, if anybody knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 maybe they all claimed to have owned a del gesu of this date, i presume, normally oral historys arent taken very seriously in this buis, i thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinfan Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 What is a Hart/Dykes/Hill/Wurlitzer "Oral History" please, if anybody knows? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 What is a Hart/Dykes/Hill/Wurlitzer "Oral History" please, if anybody knows? I don't have a ready answer, but I would assume (guess) that the "oral history" is a bit of a dodge and refers to entries in the Hill diaries & Wurlitzer records, which are presently held privately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobsaunders Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I don't have a ready answer, but I would assume (guess) that the "oral history" is a bit of a dodge and refers to entries in the Hill diaries & Wurlitzer records, which are presently held privately. Charles Beare, years ago, said to me (personaly): "There is no such thing as Charles Beare said, there is Charles Beare wrote, or he didn't" I realise that I have just contradicted myself 100% but you can't help it sometimes,can you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Charles Beare, years ago, said to me (personaly): "There is no such thing as Charles Beare said, there is Charles Beare wrote, or he didn't" I realise that I have just contradicted myself 100% but you can't help it sometimes,can you! My favorite Charles quote is "Some may have heard it said, but not by me...." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 sorry about those lousy attempts at discussion when im manic, jeffrey, its good to know a man of your integrity and experience is at the controls, and not some complete yahoos, like at the newbuddist.com forum i tried to join, you have an incredibly difficult job, and my having just a little experience moderating at the violinman site, i may appreciate what youre doing more than others. i went to this heinl site on the web, two sentences on the del gesu sans pics, no antiques listed for sale, very little info on anything, basically, but this statement caught my eye "we dont use heat on our bow hair(good) and take 3-4 hours(what?) to hair a bow, is that professional, or just a way to bump up the price? i mean if you were hairing a tourte bow for a top performer, maybe 3-4 hrs might be about right, but what if i have a glasser, 3-4 hrs???????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 i mean if you were hairing a tourte bow for a top performer, maybe 3-4 hrs might be about right, but what if i have a glasser, 3-4 hrs???????????? I'd bet they're referring to drying time, not just labor time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'd bet they're referring to drying time, not just labor time. LOL you mean i have to pay for that!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
violinfan Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 i went to this heinl site on the web, two sentences on the del gesu sans pics, no antiques listed for sale, very little info on anything... Heinl maintains the instrument bank of the Canadian Council for the Arts: http://www.canadacouncil.ca/prizes/musical_instrument_bank/ca128982053426246261.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 When I worked for "the firm", we had a shop in Toronto not too far from Heinl's. I think they're an active, reliable, business in Canada. I still see some of the instruments they've handled here in Ann Arbor. There's a nice little (as in small) Peter on Mantua they sold (maybe to the same Dr.) I saw last year that is on loan to a quartet player (which I knew when it belonged to the previous owner) and they've handled a number of other nice Italians for the Canada Council through other collectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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