MANFIO Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 3D "printer"... ok, please send me some "prints" of scrolls, tops and backs of instruments made by the Guarneris, Amatis and Stradivari... Really amazing!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted July 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Only the "B9 Robot" of the "Lost in Space" series was able to do that till now!!! For Zachary Smith`s and Will Robinson`s sake!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actonern Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Ha! I had just seen this and was about to post it as well on this site... Take heed Strad poster guys... I want a "print" of the Lady Blunt. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 I see this is up again...Manfio good to see you on board.... I think this could have applications in acoustic research as well. By using known -repeatable qualities this could really help in defining tonal qualities when it comes to plate shapes and archings ect.... by changing the shape but not the materials or vice versa a researcher could do actual control experiments. I bet that in the near future, as indicated, by using diffrent densities and color mix.... who knows.... I am sure that the hills would have loved color printing.....get ready for a Brave new world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 These things were just becoming widely used (i.e. not ridiculously expensive) when I retired from aerospace a few years ago. Fabulous for making prototypes from CAD models... but you still end up with a plastic part. I see they do have laser metal sintering printers now, too... that should be handy for some things, but probably much more costly than the plastic versions. If you want a plastic or metal violin, go ahead and have one printed up. Betcha it won't sound too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertdo Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Only the "B9 Robot" of the "Lost in Space" series was able to do that till now!!! For Zachary Smith`s and Will Robinson`s sake!!! And also Robbie the robot in Forbidden planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Don, or anyone, I understand that it probably will not sound "good" but do you see any application in perhaps using a printer to narrow the field in research and developement? that is to say playing with,changing only one aspect at a time with uniform materials as a method of determing say volume or arch shape. It also seems that by varing densities, grain patterns might be emulated? I can also see speed of production as a viable issue in research. quicker data sets for comparison. just thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Noon Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 Don, or anyone, I understand that it probably will not sound "good" but do you see any application in perhaps using a printer to narrow the field in research and developement? I can't think of anything I would want to do with a plastic model... except perhaps paint it and hang it on the wall. The acoustic properties are too far removed from wood to be of much use, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actonern Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 For someone looking to copy a great instrument, a "print" would be fantastic... accurate to 40 microns??? E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Davis Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 For those new to this topic, we discussed a while back in this thread. It's worth checking out as it contains several video links about this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmccarthy Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 For someone looking to copy a great instrument, a "print" would be fantastic... accurate to 40 microns??? E Watch this space. I have no doubt someone, probably the Strad, will be selling accurate 3D prints of plates and scrolls of some of the major instruments within the next couple of years. Brilliant idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scordatura Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 We have one of these at the school where I teach. I have seen some pretty cool stuff that they have achieved. Most of the pieces have been relatively small scale (6-8 in.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Brown Posted July 8, 2011 Report Share Posted July 8, 2011 A little spruce dust, a little maple dust, and a little ebony dust. Wham - Shabam instand Del Gesu :-) mIt would be great for making 3D casts of plates etc. DLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 i saw on line theres a 3d printer that prints in chocolate, chocolate stradivarius' mm mm good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders Buen Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Maybe there is a market for plastic models of great instruments, e.g. from CT scans. I wonder what these prints cost? I know they take a lot of time to print, a fair amount of time is cut in the demo movie. I think it might be somewhat like watching paint dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmccarthy Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 i saw on line theres a 3d printer that prints in chocolate, chocolate stradivarius' mm mm good [/quote Not exactly a Strad but I'd say it tastes just as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndon Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 actually that chocolate violin is based on a stradivari, during the violin embargo of 1695, strad worked at a chocolate factory and came up with that design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sobodash Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Obviously there isn't any great value in acoustic study, here. However, as it's been said, creating a cast of an instrument this way would be of fantastic value. Imagine being able to go to The Strad's website and buy a cheap, perfect plastic cast of any scroll you wanted, any plate you wanted. Wouldn't that just be marvelous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Pollard Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 I first saw this sort of machine on a Jay Leno clip, and posted it to MN here. There it was being used to create casts for car parts. The idea pops up every so often, so I hope we soon get to the point where these sort of casts are available to us common folk. The first workshop I attended had plaster casts of nice instruments, and that was a tremendous eye-opener to me. It's hard to catch the possibilities in a photo, but in hand, the cast of a plate reveals all sorts of details -- not acoustic but physical. I don't have any photos of a plate cast, but here's one of the scroll for the Stradivari "Red Diamond." You can imagine it would be nice to have this in hand while carving our own scroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimMurphy Posted July 9, 2011 Report Share Posted July 9, 2011 Obviously there isn't any great value in acoustic study, here. However, as it's been said, creating a cast of an instrument this way would be of fantastic value. Imagine being able to go to The Strad's website and buy a cheap, perfect plastic cast of any scroll you wanted, any plate you wanted. Wouldn't that just be marvelous? Acoustically, I wonder how "plate tuners" could reconcile a copied plate [grads & all] with whatever piece of wood they'd be carving. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
actonern Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 "Acoustically, I wonder how "plate tuners" could reconcile a copied plate [grads & all] with whatever piece of wood they'd be carving." I've often wondered the same thing, and remember once in a past post Michael Darnton suggesting that one could do much worse than a literal copy... (Hope I didn't misunderstand you Michael) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Sobodash Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Acoustically, I wonder how "plate tuners" could reconcile a copied plate [grads & all] with whatever piece of wood they'd be carving. Jim Wood =/= Plastic. Correct me if I'm not understanding your point. Edit: also, I don't put a tremendous amount of stock in plate tuning. But let's not turn this thread into another one of those dead ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimMurphy Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Wood =/= Plastic. Correct me if I'm not understanding your point. I just meant IF one gets one of these perfect copies with possible fallen/distorted arch and whatever the original grads were, then there's still no gaurantee a 'copy' [of that] in wood will sound anything like the original Stradivari, Guarneri, etc. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James M. Jones Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 It's a wonderfull world and each child is unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janito Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 If the 3D machine goes wrong, I am sure the manufacturer will provide a 21st Century version of this Helpdesk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAWR6hzZek&feature=youtu.be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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