need some help here MNers

[MeyerFittings]

I thought I'd ask the MN audience two questions that though seemingly unimportant are a big deal to me.

Has anybody glued up a delaminating rubber V belt and if so what glue did you use successfully? My small belt to the pulley to one of my lathes is coming apart. I bought a replacement but it isn't quite the same and would require some down time to adjust. I'd like to use this one a while longer as I'm under the gun on work.

Two: I'm looking for a tiny knife file, which I can't find locally. I'm pretty sure that it was part of a set of needle files in a pack that I got at a jewelry supply shop. I've gotten used to using it for one specific process and it's worn out.

Any ideas or sources? I'm sending a photo of the file -- it's small.

thanks

Rico

[fiddlecollector]

I thought I'd ask the MN audience two questions that though seemingly unimportant are a big deal to me.

Has anybody glued up a delaminating rubber V belt and if so what glue did you use successfully? My small belt to the pulley to one of my lathes is coming apart. I bought a replacement but it isn't quite the same and would require some down time to adjust. I'd like to use this one a while longer as I'm under the gun on work.

Two: I'm looking for a tiny knife file, which I can't find locally. I'm pretty sure that it was part of a set of needle files in a pack that I got at a jewelry supply shop. I've gotten used to using it for one specific process and it's worn out.

Any ideas or sources? I'm sending a photo of the file -- it's small.

thanks

Rico

Ive done it before with a tube of stuff my father gave me.It had some nasty health warnings on it but unfortunately it was in a plain white tube (apart from the warning)so i didnt know what exactly it was, though it was meant for belt gluing and worked great. Not much help but it does exist.I think it may have had carbon disulphide in it hence the warning.

Loctite 406 may work ok though its expensive in the Uk,not sure if its available in the States.

Also Devkon 4404 .

And Scotchweld CA-40

[~ Ben Conover]

Eric, I've got a spare needle knife file if you really need it. Might take a few days to post.

It's good quality, slightly longer than yours.

I bought a set of them 15 years ago and still use the first one I bought.

Here ya go, a new needle file :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/benconover/5063343730/

I agree with FC above, super glue for rubber.

Cheers.

[Ray Lee]

Eric , You could also try here

[~ Ben Conover]

Are the edges round ? I assumed you meant a flat face file.

[A. C. Fairbanks]

Has anybody glued up a delaminating rubber V belt and if so what glue did you use successfully? My small belt to the pulley to one of my lathes is coming apart. I bought a replacement but it isn't quite the same and would require some down time to adjust. I'd like to use this one a while longer as I'm under the gun on work.

Howdy,

Of course I don't know the specific reasons for the "down time" but for some situations these "adjustable" belts work like a charm:

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx...,41067&ap=1

I have used them many times with great results.

All the best,

A.C.

[MeyerFittings]

Eric, I've got a spare needle knife file if you really need it. Might take a few days to post.

It's good quality, slightly longer than yours.

I bought a set of them 15 years ago and still use the first one I bought.

I agree with FC above, super glue for rubber.

Cheers.

Thanks guys. Ben, I've got knife files that are about 6'' long but this one is only four. I'd hate to put you through sending one if it's like my others. I safe the small edge and use it for cleaning up the collars on the pegs while they are spinning. It is so small it gets in the corners. Thats why I sent the photo. My 6 inchers just don't get in there the same way. (boy there's a double entendre). Needless to say they don't last forever using them that way.

I think that I tried crazy glue jell on a crack in the belt but it didn't hold. Bob did the glue smell like rubber cement or model glue? I think theres something that actually melts the rubber to make the bond. They must use something that puts the laminates together unless it's just heat. I'm coming up from the shop to post so I may have missed some repies in transit. Ben I just saw your link, yeah that's like the ones that I can get. Like I said the only ones that I have seen like the one I'm looking for came in a set of tiny files in a set of six. It's terrible when you get used to a tool make it part of your routine, and can't find a repacement .

The linked belt is a good idea. thanks , didn't know about them.

[joerobson]

I thought I'd ask the MN audience two questions that though seemingly unimportant are a big deal to me.

Has anybody glued up a delaminating rubber V belt and if so what glue did you use successfully? My small belt to the pulley to one of my lathes is coming apart. I bought a replacement but it isn't quite the same and would require some down time to adjust. I'd like to use this one a while longer as I'm under the gun on work.

thanks

Rico

Rico.

Try globing a big load of belt dressing on it and let it dry over night.

Joe

[David Burgess]

It's terrible when you get used to a tool make it part of your routine, and can't find a repacement .

I totally know what you mean. Even if a tool is mediocre, I've learned exactly what it does, and I want a new one which does exactly what I'm accustomed to.

I've gotten more life out of some favorite files by using the "liquid file sharpener", if that's of any use.

[fiddlecollector]

Thanks guys. Ben, I've got knife files that are about 6'' long but this one is only four. I'd hate to put you through sending one if it's like my others. I safe the small edge and use it for cleaning up the collars on the pegs while they are spinning. It is so small it gets in the corners. Thats why I sent the photo. My 6 inchers just don't get in there the same way. (boy there's a double entendre). Needless to say they don't last forever using them that way.

I think that I tried crazy glue jell on a crack in the belt but it didn't hold. Bob did the glue smell like rubber cement or model glue? I think theres something that actually melts the rubber to make the bond. They must use something that puts the laminates together unless it's just heat. I'm coming up from the shop to post so I may have missed some repies in transit. Ben I just saw your link, yeah that's like the ones that I can get. Like I said the only ones that I have seen like the one I'm looking for came in a set of tiny files in a set of six. It's terrible when you get used to a tool make it part of your routine, and can't find a repacement .

The linked belt is a good idea. thanks , didn't know about them.

The glue smelled a bit like ether ,if you`ve ever smelled it,its a very sweet smell. If it was carbon disulphide in it ,it may have been discontinued.Carbon disulphide is a solvent for rubber and it did sort of weld the belt material .

The super glues (crazy glues) i mentioned are meant for rubber and gasket joining etc...

[Chris Knowlton]

I installed a sectional link belt (like that shown in the link above) on my table saw a few years ago. It handles heavy sawing loads, is much quieter than a standard V-belt, and eliminated vibration. They really do work as advertised.

Chris

[JPherson]

Hi,

Try these files at lowes If you only want one i can send it too you though mine must be from a older set as it's 3.5"

Jesse

http://www.lowes.com/pd_60199-86580-SF17_4...d|1%26page%3D12

[~ Ben Conover]

JP, great link above, bookmarked it thanks.

[McBenet]

Silly me, but I'm wondering if you have considered buying a bicycle inertube repair kit and using the glue that comes with the kit. Made for rubber and has good adhesion and elasticity. Less than $5.00 US anywhere in town.

Just a thought,

-----Barry

[~ Ben Conover]

Axminster tools do a great mini lathe without belt, for around $300, that's less than a set of Cello pegs.

Or how about a big elastic band, or an old bicycle inner tube.

Or one of these :

http://www.google.ie/url?url=http://www.yo...OUQ&cad=rja

Cheers.

[James M. Jones]

[quote name='David Burgess' date='Oct 8 2010, 05:20 PM' post='480867'

I've gotten more life out of some favorite files by using the "liquid file sharpener",

Liquid file sharpner is simple/ an acid like nitric or hydrocloric acid watered down . I've sharpened many files use a clothes pin to suspend the file in a dip/ set a timer for say 20 min and check often. Rince with baking soda water . It works by eching equaly off the faces. If you can stir the acid it works better.

Rio Grande jewlery supply in New Mexico has I figure just about every file Known to man little 4" swiss and German all brand shapes and sizes Also try tool and Die supply .

[lvlagneto]

Try these files at Lowes...

I have this same set, and a Stanley set as well (a step larger at Home Depot). They work very well!

[fiddlecollector]

I have this same set, and a Stanley set as well (a step larger at Home Depot). They work very well!

Is the file a Nicholson ,they seen to make a 4" range of needle files. Though prices ive seen are $117 for a box of 12 knife edge.Must be able to buy them one at a time somewhere.

[MeyerFittings]

Hi,

Try these files at lowes If you only want one i can send it too you though mine must be from a older set as it's 3.5"

Jesse

http://www.lowes.com/pd_60199-86580-SF17_4...d|1%26page%3D12

If one is an elongated V shape, I'd lovr to have it. Are you going to the VSA? I can make you a martini and buy your file there.

Thanks everybody for the input. Jeffrey H. Facebooked me and suggested Barges cement. It's along the rubber cement ideas and I used to glue felt on my fishing waders with it. I'll also check out some of the links. I've got somr old Shark system acid that I haven't used for a while. Can't hurt at this point.

This is a great way to use this site -- sharing those little details where the Devil lies.

[Dean_Lapinel]

If one is an elongated V shape, I'd lovr to have it. Are you going to the VSA? I can make you a martini and buy your file there.

Thanks everybody for the input. Jeffrey H. Facebooked me and suggested Barges cement. It's along the rubber cement ideas and I used to glue felt on my fishing waders with it. I'll also check out some of the links. I've got somr old Shark system acid that I haven't used for a while. Can't hurt at this point.

This is a great way to use this site -- sharing those little details where the Devil lies.

Sent you a PM

[Janito]

The files used for sharpening the small-toothed Japanese saws have a very fine V, but they may be too broad for the purpose.

[Woodgrinder]

Let me weigh in on the link belts...

Since I got my first one, I have never gone back. No vibration, easy to repair by replacing a link or two.

Why try to fix rubber? Just get a link belt section. Customize to your length, and keep the spare links where you can find them (DAMHIKT).

Note: super glue (cyanoacrylate, or CA) forms a brittle bond. It would probably flex apart after a few bend cycles. You'd be better off with Shoe Goop.

[A. C. Fairbanks]

Let me weigh in on the link belts...

Since I got my first one, I have never gone back. No vibration, easy to repair by replacing a link or two.

Why try to fix rubber? Just get a link belt section. Customize to your length, and keep the spare links where you can find them (DAMHIKT).

Note: super glue (cyanoacrylate, or CA) forms a brittle bond. It would probably flex apart after a few bend cycles. You'd be better off with Shoe Goop.

Howdy,

I had provided a link to these belts from Lee Valley, but just learned that they make 'em in a very wide variety of shapes and sizes.

This might be of interest: http://www.fennerdrives.com/high_performan...ecial_belts.asp

All the best,

A.C.

[Raven Hawk]

HI

A hobby shop will have some rubberized super glue designed to repair rubber tires on RC cars. Couldn't say if it'd be strong enough to hold your belt together, but it would be elastic. You might even have to try splicing in another piece of belt with a finger, dovetail, or scarf joint.

Rick

[Kevin Miller]

You said the file you're looking for may have come from a set. Could it have been the 12 piece mini needle file set from International Violin? I have that set, and the knife file doesn't taper to a really sharp edge; it's more like 0.8 mm thick on the "sharp" side, with no teeth on the back. If that's similar to what you're looking for, I imagine they'll probably have them at the convention.