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Many of you have seen my cello, its that Klotz? looking instrument. I wasnt selected among those given tickets to the upcoming Antiques Road Show thats coming to my home town, San Jose,Ca. I was sure looking forward to that. Does anyone have an idea where I can get a decent value appraisal of the cello. I've contacted Butterfield and Bonhams out of San Francisco. Apparently one can set up an appointment to have them appraise your instrument. Ken Su of San Mateo currently has the instrument in his shop. He says I should show it to an appraiser with the top off. He said the inside can tell alot about an instrument. I've stop the restoration until its seen. Any ideas anyone

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Many of you have seen my cello, its that Klotz? looking instrument. I wasnt selected among those given tickets to the upcoming Antiques Road Show thats coming to my home town, San Jose,Ca. I was sure looking forward to that. Does anyone have an idea where I can get a decent value appraisal of the cello. I've contacted Butterfield and Bonhams out of San Francisco. Apparently one can set up an appointment to have them appraise your instrument. Ken Su of San Mateo currently has the instrument in his shop. He says I should show it to an appraiser with the top off. He said the inside can tell alot about an instrument. I've stop the restoration until its seen. Any ideas anyone

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Are you intended to pay to get a professional appraisal? (written or oral ?) As I know, they would charge a fee.

A copy of Klotz ?

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Are you intended to pay to get a professional appraisal? (written or oral ?) As I know, they would charge a fee.

A copy of Klotz ?

Thanks fro the reply. Yes I would be willing to pay for the appraisal. I do want a written report. I think this instrument is special. Roland Feller lately has no time . I took it to hima nd he said" Nice cello in its day, needs much repair" He didnt have the time to restore it. I didnt bother to ask about appraisal. His shop was full of people waiting their turn and he was sort of stressed. I'd be willin to send to N Y , someone said best places are there. You have someone in mind

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Thanks fro the reply. Yes I would be willing to pay for the appraisal. I do want a written report. I think this instrument is special. Roland Feller lately has no time . I took it to hima nd he said" Nice cello in its day, needs much repair" He didnt have the time to restore it. I didnt bother to ask about appraisal. His shop was full of people waiting their turn and he was sort of stressed. I'd be willin to send to N Y , someone said best places are there. You have someone in mind

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No, I don't have anyone in mind that I would recommand.

It is good to know that you are prepared. Please let us know your result. Thanks.

Yuen

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I'm not sure if there is anyone in the country who can sort out all the klotzes from their neighbors. Certainly a judgement could be made about it's relative quality. An appraisal wouldn't necessarily address the question of specific maker, that's more the role of a certificate. If you're near Roland, call him and ask if he'd be willing to appraise it.

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I'm not sure if there is anyone in the country who can sort out all the klotzes from their neighbors. Certainly a judgement could be made about it's relative quality. An appraisal wouldn't necessarily address the question of specific maker, that's more the role of a certificate. If you're near Roland, call him and ask if he'd be willing to appraise it.

Thanks you're right. Maybe value certainly not a specific maker will be determined. I'm hoping for possible year and estimated value

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In the Bay area Feller is the the guy who probably could come closest to properly identifying this instrument, from what I've seen. Take it to him during the week sometime when things arent as hectic, ask to pay for an appraisal, leave it if necessary. There are lots of guys on the East coast who are knowledgable about these instruments, but in Caifornia, there arent so many. Maybe someone at Ifshins. I also agree with Andrew in that there probably is nobody who can really sort out all of the Kloz makers. But I think this instrument could easily be identified as Mittenwald, roughly the decade it was made, and get a good assessment of the overal quality of the instrument (Kloz instruments vary quite a bit). Thats enough to get a proper valuation of the instrument. I think there was a time when many appraisers would put a specific maker's name on a Kloz school instrument, but I think they've gotten more conservative, or just more realistic.

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In the Bay area Feller is the the guy who probably could come closest to properly identifying this instrument, from what I've seen. Take it to him during the week sometime when things arent as hectic, ask to pay for an appraisal, leave it if necessary. There are lots of guys on the East coast who are knowledgable about these instruments, but in Caifornia, there arent so many. Maybe someone at Ifshins. I also agree with Andrew in that there probably is nobody who can really sort out all of the Kloz makers. But I think this instrument could easily be identified as Mittenwald, roughly the decade it was made, and get a good assessment of the overal quality of the instrument (Kloz instruments vary quite a bit). Thats enough to get a proper valuation of the instrument. I think there was a time when many appraisers would put a specific maker's name on a Kloz school instrument, but I think they've gotten more conservative, or just more realistic.

Thanks for taking the time to give me your detailed response to my inquiry. I understand that Klotz cellos are rare. I've looked online for any information regarding Klotz cellos. There isn't much there. There is a refrence of one belonging to Spanish cellist Josetxu Obregon. He owns a Sebastian Klotz whose scroll is not original. My cello accordng to Ken Su of Ken Su Violins in San Mateo is well made. He looked at the nuances of the instrument and said "made by a steady hand", "this cello not made by apprentice". When comparing my cello scroll with the "attributed" to Sebastian Klotz cello scroll recently presented for auction by Tariso, Peter of Radcliffiddles said, "yours is better executed". Yet another reference to the "steady hand". All this leads me to believe that this cello is just not a plain Klotz school Mittenwald instrument, well at least thats what I'm hoping to establish. I hope its construction will "sort out all the Klotz's ". You mentioned east coast appraisers. I hope to snare some tickets afterall to the Antique Roadshow coming to town. Ebay and Craiglist are listing some. I think its worth to pay the $280 for the tickets. A decent written appraisal is going to cost just as much and more. The advantage the Antique Roadshow brings, is the depth of their appraising staff. I hope Kerry Keane of Christie's auction house a regular of the Antique Roadshow, takes a look at the cello. He is definetly an east coast guy. Do you agree that leaving the top off helps the appraiser. There is no label or other visible identifying marks inside that I can see. I however do not have a trained eye. I don't know what these guys look for in side.

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Do you agree that leaving the top off helps the appraiser. There is no label or other visible identifying marks inside that I can see. I however do not have a trained eye. I don't know what these guys look for in side.

Personally, I find it "easier" to identify an instrument all put together.

It makes it harder to get a whole picture of the thing when you have two or more pieces of it in your hands.

There isn't much on the inside that can't be discovered with a mirror and an inspection light.

Good luck.

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Havent seen the antiques road show in a while, I remember seeing Fred Oster and I think Kerry Keane on that show a few years ago, both of those guys will get you in the ball park. I've been in Oster's shop several times and I know he's seen his share of Kloz instruments. I dont know who else does appraisals for them, I havent been paying attention, but chances are its someone experienced enough to identify a Kloz school instrument. Maybe somebody can pick up some feature of the cello that gives them enough confidence to put a name on it, but be prepared for a lot of "Mittenwald, Kloz school, ca 1780" or something like that. A lot of instruments with that description were very well made and sound great.

I didnt realize it cost so much to get into that show, and I really dont think they would be able to spend a lot of time with your instrument, and it looks like a zoo. I'd be pretty happy with Feller's appraisal, I think he's very knowledgable.

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Many of you have seen my cello, its that Klotz? looking instrument. I wasnt selected among those given tickets to the upcoming Antiques Road Show thats coming to my home town, San Jose,Ca. I was sure looking forward to that. Does anyone have an idea where I can get a decent value appraisal of the cello. I've contacted Butterfield and Bonhams out of San Francisco. Apparently one can set up an appointment to have them appraise your instrument. Ken Su of San Mateo currently has the instrument in his shop. He says I should show it to an appraiser with the top off. He said the inside can tell alot about an instrument. I've stop the restoration until its seen. Any ideas anyone

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Thanks for the reponse everyone. Most everyone agrees that I won't get a maker's name attached to this cello. The best I can hope for is "Klotz school 18th century Mittenwald." I tend to agree. Two including Roland Feller said that Chicago or New York were my best bets. If anyone has the expertise its someone in that market. Well I secured tickets to The Antique Roadshow coming to San Jose in August. Hopefully I can get an east coast opinion from them.

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I didnt realize it cost so much to get into that show, and I really dont think they would be able to spend a lot of time with your instrument, and it looks like a zoo.

A zoo is an understatement... If it's anything like the first three seasons in which I participated, it's pretty wild... but fun.

Long line in front of a table, and the specialist has a couple minutes to determine what he/she is looking at, then decide if the situation warrants a TV spot (which has as much to do with the story than the piece). If the item/owner will be taped, then a little more time is spent... If not, a quick verbal opinion is offered and the appraiser moves on to the next person. Great eye training though...

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