G. Chiocci violin on ebay!!!!!!!

[luthier]

Take a look at this! G. Chiocchi! This is a violin I restored and sold through Tarisio in Dec., 09. I know this violin inside and out. There was no label in it. It sold for $350. I have any picture you would like to see of this violin, if you have any doubts. DO NOT BID ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are getting screwed if you win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fine-antique-violin-vi...1QQcmdZViewItem

it was lot # 180, Dec 08 tarisio auction. It is referred to as "unlabeled"

[priya]

You must be mistaken. the seller listed this old full sized italian violin (estate from my late father, violinmaster)

[troutabout]

"" it was lot # 180, Dec 08 tarisio auction. It is referred to as "unlabeled" ""

A) Why would Tarisio have described it as unlabeled when it clearly is ?

Was your's the winning bid on ebay this time ?

[luthier]

Well, now that I've slept over this for a night, I guess I have to accept this is ebay, and has nothing to do with honesty or integrity. It is unfortunate that so many people get away with fraud and deception every day, and are protected in their devious actions by ebay. On the otherhand, if there were no bids, there wouldn't be any sales. The honest sellers are the ones who pay the price.

The violin is worth the winning bid, if the buyer happens to be reading this. There is a repaired soundpost crack in the back, with a patch and 2 cleats, which was done before I had it, along with the ext. G peg cheek patch. The varnish was basicly worn off, sanded and clear-coated, also before I had it. The work I did include 2 interrior cheek patches, 3 spirals and one bushing in the pegbox. I put a new fingerboard on it, set-up, varnish touch-ups, etc., and it is in fine playing condition. The D string is weaker in all positions, so the buyer will have to try some different strings to balance that out. It has a wonderful strong, rich, deep tone, with a lot of clarity. I'm sure the buyer will be happy with it. I just pray he/she is not disillusioned by the Italian label. That's fake, along with the "provenance".

[luthier]

I hope you responders are being sarcastic.

[zefir68]

I hope you responders are being sarcastic.

I think they are. Thank you for this post, it's good to have this kind of information available. I was watching that instrument when I saw your post, and combined with other feedback from MNers will always check the auctions from this seller with a very big grain of salt.

[luthier]

Just want to add:

Too bad I left out the h before the last i in my title. I don't know or can't change that now.

The violin is obviously hand made, not a trade violin, and I estimate it to have been made somewhere between 1830 and 1860.

[sonnichs]

Guten Morgen David!

I caught your post and pulled up some old pictures that you sent me of this violin. It is comical that the seller was so eager to post closeups of the pegbox repairs which are so uniquely a signature of this instrument. That was a "give away" even without your pics in front of me. I guess you have the satisfaction of knowing where one of your instruments ended up!

Cheers

Fritz

[Fellow]

Take a look at this! G. Chiocchi! This is a violin I restored and sold through Tarisio in Dec., 09. I know this violin inside and out. There was no label in it. It sold for $350. I have any picture you would like to see of this violin, if you have any doubts. DO NOT BID ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are getting screwed if you win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Fine-antique-violin-vi...1QQcmdZViewItem

it was lot # 180, Dec 08 tarisio auction. It is referred to as "unlabeled"

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[Fellow]

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( Just a philosophical note.)

I hope you are 100% correct. 100% seldom occurs in real life. 95% is likely the case.

Then you have to worry about the Murphy's law.

[luthier]

You be the judge:

Before sending the violin off to Tarisio, I dulled down the gloss, as advised by a member of this community.

Here's the link again to the listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=230325477927

I have other pictures of this violin taken by the person I bought it from, which are copywrited, which I will not post here.

If you save these images in my pictures, and blow them up to the same size as the listing, you can flip back and forth with ease to verify they are one in the same. There is no doubt whatsoever.

[geigen]

Its obviously the same, thanks for posting the pics

[match]

There are a lot of fishy fiddles from different (?) sellers from Hannover / Germany on eBay in last time.

[La Folia]

Shouldn't the fraud be reported to ebay?

[luthier]

It already has been reported. The seller has since removed the pictures from the listing, but couldn't remove the gallery picture, which is enough still to see that it is the same violin. My advise to anyone reading this post is to never bid on this guy's violins. He's totally unscrupulus, very decietful, a scam, a con artist, you name it. He's one of the people that tarnish the ebay experience, and though it shouldn't have any relavance, has a negative effect on all sales on ebay.

I didn't see the listing till 2 hrs. before it ended, and posted it immediately here, and in my haste to get it up, misspelled the name on the label.