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Fine FRENCH violin by CHIPOT-VUILLAUME/ certificate

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Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here, but my first thought looking at this is that the violin pictured in the certificate is NOT the same as the violin supposedly being offered for sale. Compare the back views and also the scroll for starters.

Anyone agree with this observation?? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

Apart from that, if you are looking for a violin for your daughter, really she has to try out the instrument herself before it is bought, also get feedback from her teacher. If you are looking to spend that amount of money - much more sensible to visit some violin shops with your daughter and try a wide range of violins in your price range before making any decisions...

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I think it may be the same violin.

I agree that if you are considering a violin at this price for your daughter, visit a reputable shop and have your daughter try the instruments herself. At this price, you should be able to come up with something very nice. Personally, I would want to hear the instrument before making any decisions. If you are not comfortable evaluating what is best, try to take a knowledgeable person with you.

When my father bought my first quality violin at age 12, my teacher (a violinist and orchestra conductor) came along. We ended up with an instrument that had been through some rough times but the sound was far superior to anything else at that price level. At that time, neither my father or I would have picked this particular violin.

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There is a story that Chipot stuck Vuillaume after his name to increase his credibility.

In the current economic climate it is overpriced, in my opinion, for an online shop, but you can make an appropriately low offer.

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The story as I understand it, is that he really did marry a daughter of a certain J.B. Vuillaume, thus appropriating the name and attaching to his labels "Jendre de J.B Vuillaume" (Rather, son-in-law of J.B. Vuillaume) but not the J.B. Vuillaume, rather a certain J.B. Vuillaume the shoemaker if I remember correctly. It really was a brilliant exploit (assuming his wife had at least a redeeming quality or two).

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Hello,

I am the seller of this violin. To reassure those who have doubts whether the certificate belongs to the violin: it does. I got it from France, from Christophe dePierre in Paris, who is a first class dealer and expert.

It is correct, that Chipot-Vuillaume has nothing to do with the great JB Vuillaume, and that he married a lady whose name was Vuillaume and that he added her name for commercial reasons. The confusion started when Poidras wrote that Chipot married in 1870 the daughter of JB Vuillaume, as Rene Vannes writes in his dictionary. JB Vuillaume had 2 daughters who both married a violinst (Alard was one of them).Chipot married a certain Stella Vuillaume, who had nothing to do with the luthier JB Vuillaume. And Vannes adds that Chipot added for commercial reasons the name of his wife.

Chipot was according to Vannes a very good maker: a pupil of Derazey, and worked later for Collin Mezin.

Jaap van Wesel

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I am not a luthier or anything but I did some matching up of the photos in the ebay listing in photoshop....and they do not exactly match. Unfortunately the cert are planar views and all of the listing photos are oblique.....If I were the seller and wanted to sell this violin I would post some photos that are exactly from the same perspective....especially given that the certificate is only 5 months old....

Tom

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I am not a luthier or anything but I did some matching up of the photos in the ebay listing in photoshop....and they do not exactly match. Unfortunately the cert are planar views and all of the listing photos are oblique.....If I were the seller and wanted to sell this violin I would post some photos that are exactly from the same perspective....especially given that the certificate is only 5 months old....

Tom

Tom (and to all the other doubting Thomases)

I have seen, played, and adjusted this violin for Mr. Van Wesel. The violin that is pictured in the Ebay listing is the very same violin that is pictured in the certificate. Mr. Van Wesel is a Washington DC area collector and seller of instruments and bows, and is a very good friend of mine. I can verify that this violin is the one pictured in the certificate, that it is a quality violin, and that the seller is also of high character--not out to screw anyone. If you have any doubts about it, I urge you to contact him personally and ask questions. While you're checking out things, go ahead and check out Mr. Van Wesel's return policy and excellent feedback rating (100%).

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While carefully avoiding the arching issue here, I do know that Markneukirchen violins of the 20s often have labels with the words "copy of Stradivarius" or something to that extent. I think that's what the eBay description is saying.

Cheers,

Ken

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Hi All

I need your opinion about this e-bay violin.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Fine-FRENCH-violin-...1742.m153.l1262

or e-bay item: 190252517139

I am looking for a good violin (as in a violin which can project with good sound when playing a concerto with an orchestra for my daughter).

Cheers,

Michael

I know very little about violins but i have been a member here for a few years.I looked up the list of violins this guy has for sale and I notice he's selling a 3/4 size JTL factory violin "Medio Fino" for 1150 DOLLARS!! you can pick up great 4/4 size Medio Finos for less than 150 dollars if you keep your eyes open . I wonder about scam merchants using these type of forums to further their businesses and setting up some guys to contribute to their posts . Also I notice somebody saying they have done work for this guy and can vouch for him? ANYBODY who pays more than a few hundred bucks for a violin they have never even seen or heard is mad!! I have bought about 10 or 12 violins on eBay over the past few years but would never have paid more than 500 $ max. Would you pick out a husband for your daughter online? Bring the child to a violin shop or consult her teacher and let her play an instrument for some weeks on approbation before buying , have you considered asking a violin shop to allow your daughter a few months playing before she decides she really likes an instrument and wants to have it permanently. EBAY is like a giant cheap casino , you go in with money you are willing to lose for the thrill of speculation !! Good luck in your quest !

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I know very little about violins but i have been a member here for a few years.I looked up the list of violins this guy has for sale and I notice he's selling a 3/4 size JTL factory violin "Medio Fino" for 1150 DOLLARS!! you can pick up great 4/4 size Medio Finos for less than 150 dollars if you keep your eyes open . I wonder about scam merchants using these type of forums to further their businesses and setting up some guys to contribute to their posts . Also I notice somebody saying they have done work for this guy and can vouch for him? ANYBODY who pays more than a few hundred bucks for a violin they have never even seen or heard is mad!! I have bought about 10 or 12 violins on eBay over the past few years but would never have paid more than 500 $ max. Would you pick out a husband for your daughter online? Bring the child to a violin shop or consult her teacher and let her play an instrument for some weeks on approbation before buying , have you considered asking a violin shop to allow your daughter a few months playing before she decides she really likes an instrument and wants to have it permanently. EBAY is like a giant cheap casino , you go in with money you are willing to lose for the thrill of speculation !! Good luck in your quest !

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Violin shops are very expensive 30% more than auction prices this is the reason people use auctions ,this guy does offer a refund give it a go if you don't like it send it back.Check comparable prices on net .

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I bought a Rolland viola bow from Mr Van Wesel, for a very reasonable price, and have absolutely no complaints about the deal. I've had his shop bookmarked in ebay for some time; while some of the prices may be high (or perhaps not), no one is forcing anyone to buy from him. I believe him to be an honest vendor.

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