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The name on the label is mispelled its Celoniatus, and the

lettering of the label looks totally different from the two in the

Jalovec book, this is where the story seems to unravel, the varnish

in the neck looks no different from that on the body, yet the neck

is clearly a replacement, why because the fake label makes him

think it is 1734 and for that date it would need to be grafted or

baroque, another ? the arching looks very German not Italian, not

to mention a top shop might not work on this for less than $3000,

the question is it going to be worth that much when youre done,

only if its Genuine, a celoniatus copy from the 1800s isn't going

to be worth much. In my opinion youre more likely to buy an Italian

violin on ebay from someone who isn't calling it Italian than from

someone who is purporting it to be Italian, and if I get the story

right Al Romeo is no dummy so why would he be selling a $50,000

violin for peanuts on ebay, just doesn't make sense, sincerely


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I'm certainly no expert but here is my take based on comments in the ebay post:

- An exceptional old full size 18th century Italian ( in my opinion)

- The top needs most of the work: It has several cracks

- The scroll and neck are from a later period

- There is a shimm under the finger board.

- The button is half broken off

- The one piece back is in excellent condition for the age

How can the back be in excellent condition if the button has damage?

The neck, although the scroll looks decent, is from a different violin, but the fingerboard has a shim so who ever did the transplant didn't do it correctly.

Leave it alone, the bid is already at $500++

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I wasn't actually ruling out the violin being Italian, its

plausable from the low resolution pictures, but who could possibly

say, but he can state that in his opinion its Italian and 18th

Century, what possible evidence could you have for it being 18th

century other than the fake label, why would an Italian violin in

that bad a shape have so little natural wear, maybe the varnish

isn't Italian, who knows who cares this violin is bait for the

adventurous fool, maybe Al Romeo is an honest seller and actually

thinks its Italian,(that doesn't make it Italian) maybe its a

complete fraud, how the heck are we going to know and what value do

you put on a violin you basically know nothing about, lets put it

this way If I had an Italian violin I wanted to put on ebay, I'd

present a lot more evidence than this ad presents, and certificate

lost, why isn't that explained in the text, sincerely Lyndon

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I will hesitatingly put forward that it to me at least, it seems very similar to a fiddle I bought from Germany that was later confirmed by a very respected authority to be Klingenthal from 1800-1805. I was really hoping it was Italian of course It still has its original Baroque style neck, which was converted to modern in a not-so pretty way involving lots of blocks and shims. Still, a great instrument, sounds fantastic, and will probably sell for $8-$10K when restorations are complete.

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