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Antiqued Chinese violin on Ebay

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Good finish job. A guy came by the shop today with a bunch of Chinese violins with really great looking varnish, good antiquing. They sounded bad, even for 1/4 the asking price. Lots of Chinese violins sound pretty good, but not these. You just can't tell by looks any more.

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The scary thing is what Janito alludes to:  From the auction

wording, the seller is clearly marketing these to crooks, who will

install their favorite fake labels and then put the "instruments"

back into circulation with whatever BS story they choose.

Even the price reflects this, as they are much too

expensive to be sold to young students. (compared to other Chinese

no-name fiddles)

Sheesh.

I imagine this is very good news for all the modern luthiers, as

this type of thing will continue to erode confidence in the antique

violin market, making a new instrument much more desirable.

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A question for the experts:  It seems to me that this violin

has one serious flaw, as far as it's ability to fool the eye, but

what do you think:  Where the varnish is fully worn away, and

with purfling underneath, the color of the center purfling seems

mighty white to me.  Wouldn't a 2-300 year old violin have

center purfling that was darker, even when so exposed?

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It is a fake antique violin. For $700 it may be okay. I would not think an average buyer would be

crazy about a fake antique. Only the bargain hunters love that sort of things. Real antique stays the

same look forever. You won't find the wood all the sudden look as new as the first day cut from a tree

if the varnish is damaged or exposed. You may need an artist to cover it again.

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I like it. At first glance it reminds me of a better early 1900s

antiqued German or Czech. If they put a Carlo Micelli or Enrico

Robella label inside it might fool someone. But thats about it.

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Hummmm.... it's not my piece of cake... it's interesting that there is no side view of the scroll, that appears to be bad, in my opinion. And remember to have about 300 or 400 bucks for the set up, fittings and strings.

In this price range I would prefer a good, honest old German or French factory made violin.

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Just looking at the photos, absence of bushing in pegbox and lack of bow wear in treble bout caught my eye; also too much wear in the chinrest area. I've never seen that much loss of finish in that area. (Though I'm far from an expert). I understand that fake bushing is common in "antiqued" fakes. The rest of it is also easily done, given the amount of fakery already demonstrated. Soon reality will be totally lost. Of course, anyone who lived thru the '60s is aware that reality is overrated anyway.

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That thing looks like they took it out back and ground some grease or mud into the corners. The varnish wear is way over the top in the non wear areas, and lacking other areas. Thanks for the link. The pictures just went into my pictures "New Fake" folder

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What's 'interesting' about the fake wear patterns are the sharp edges where 'full varnish' goes to 'no varnish' in a step.

This is especially evident in the chin wear areas on both sides of the tailpiece. Rubbing would not be expected to produce jagged flakes unless it was an intrinsic property of a chippy varnish.

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"Of course, anyone who lived thru the '60s is aware that reality is overrated anyway. "

Mind-expanding insight - awesome!!!

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By my use of the word 'awesome' you will immediately be able to date me to the baby boomer generation.

'Sweet' or 'Jibba', on the other hand, would have been something quite different.

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