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I've been perusing Ebay for a long time now and I keep seeing these particular looking fiddles show up, usually with the claim that they are "Italian!" Of course I am more than somewhat skeptical of that, but I would really like to know exactly what they are. Well, OK, Germanic I guess But I'm wondering what kind and what time? And, are they any good value and sound wise?

Here are two examples that are on Ebay right now. One is nicer than the other but they're both in that style I can't quite figure out.



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