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Bach Solo Sonata 1 Adagio rhythm query


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I have the International edition by Galamian. The measure is:

1/8

1/8

1/16 tied to

1/64

3/64

1/8

1/16 dotted

5/32

7/64

2/128

1/16

1/32 dotted

1/64

I put this in MathCad  and ended up with a total of 1.

 Jeesh- if you play an extra 64th here will the audience know

about  it?

The Bach manuscripts in the appendix don't add up. I get .992

total -The beginning of the measure as scribed by Bach is:

1/8

1/8

1/16dotted

3/64

1/8

Cheers

Fritz

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Yes, strange that...... played it a hundred times without doing the higher maths.

Maybe it should be a double-dotted 16th note (b flat)

- unless that smugde in the manuscript is a double-dot?

But maybe that convention did not exist in Bach's time

....... any experts on that?

(Other editions have it written as sonnichs suggests)

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Honestly, I wasn't looking for this, but look what I stumbled upon:

Is this the same problem as above in bar 25 of the Andante of Sonata #2?

In this case the same Peters/Flesch edition has a tied 8th note and

there is no possibility of seeing it as a triplet, even though the manuscript notation

is the same as that of bar 21 in the Agadio of Sonata #1.

Flesch has this time interpreted it as a double-dotted 8th note.

Maybe we've opened a can of worms here!

fles.jpg

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I promise I won't go any further with this till someone else helps out.

In the Allemande of the final Cello Suite there is something similar again:

In bar 9 the opening 8th note is tied in the manuscript - no problem;

but in bar 10 first 16th note is dotted - 'triplet"?

allem2.jpg

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bar 13 is also worth investigating.

In bar 15 again we meet te same problem: double-dot or triplet?

allem3.jpg

allem5.jpg

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Flesch has this time interpreted it as a double-dotted 8th note.

A double-dotted 8th note should have the value of 7 32nd notes. In the example you give the c'' has the value of 5 32nd notes.

I suspect that some musicologist somewhere has written a multi-volume thesis which thoroughly dissects all of these questions!

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Maybe it should be a double-dotted 16th note (b flat)

- unless that smugde in the manuscript is a double-dot?

But maybe that convention did not exist in Bach's time

....... any experts on that?


I, personally, doubt it. Leopold Mozart was credited with the "origional" double-dot. I wouldn't be too suprised if the idea crossed Bach's mind, however.

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