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Caprice 16 accentuations?

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Can someone explain to me which accentuation system is accepted for

Paganinis caprice number 16?

It appears that there is more than one opinion/version/option. Is

this true?

|n one edition, it just has several f's throught the caprice. but

in another edition, it has that, but in addition it also has a good

few little squares, which I think mean accentuations. Aren't

they?

If so, do those go together with the "f" signs? or are they

either/or? And how are they differentiated (what's the difference

in this caprice between the f or the little box?

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Well?

I mean, a few years back, this forum was very active and by now

there would have been quite a few replies to this, and atleast two

or three directly answering my problem.

And now? Is it normally this quiet these days? (I admit I myself

haven't been on here too often recently, but surely others are

active, and I thought, would have been increasing with time.

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I don't think there has been one post since you last posted on May 23rd. It is now June 21st 11:11 and the official start of the first day of summer. Maybe by fall...

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Hi Still,

I always want to help, but my knowedge in music is limited. I don't know if your question is

clear enough. Would you put in other ways? I don't have much problem to read music. I am

sure there are a lot of musicians here in the forum can answer you question, 10 time better

than me. Why there is a problem.

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I am a piano player and I have never seen little squares in in the multitudes of pieces I have played.

I would suggest going to the least edited source possible (Urtext) to learn the pieces and then perhaps study editions by great violinists to get there opinions. Do you have a teacher or coach/adviser who might help you?

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"the square note" is a guiding note. It is to be stopped by the finger but not played.

(See p.14, String builder by Samuel Applebaum.) Is this the information you are looking for?

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quote:


Originally posted by:
bapiano
I am a piano player

and I have never seen little squares in in the multitudes of pieces

I have played. I would suggest going to the least edited source

possible (Urtext) to learn the pieces and then perhaps study

editions by great violinists to get there opinions. Do you have a

teacher or coach/adviser who might help you?

Indeed, there are no boxes in my urtext edition (henle verlag).

I am also a piano player as well, and these little boxes don't seem

to be a way of writing in any piano music I ever remember

seeing.

At the moment I am not going to a regular teacher, so I thought it

easier to ask here, than to bother someone on the phone with such

questions. (If I would, I have other questions, but this one here

should be a simple question for many people who read this

forum).

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Originally posted by:
yuen
"the square note" is a

guiding note. It is to be stopped by the finger but not played.

(See p.14, String builder by Samuel Applebaum.) Is this the

information you are looking for?
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YES! THANKS Yuen! I tried it and it fits in well with what you

explained!

It's simply telling you to have it stopped ready for what's coming

up.

I never knew that.

Oh yes! so even for harmonics it looks a bit similar to this, and

means the same thing (to stop but not play).

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To Ken Nielson

Very funny (that is). How can such a thing be? And yet there are so

many visitors the whole time. So what else do you know? where do

people post?

Actually, Ken (editing now)

I don't really understand what you are saying. Yes, I re-joined

this forum on May the 23rd 2006, and there are new posts almost

every day...if you see the dates of the postings. But, not very

many, however.

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quote:


Originally posted by:
S/till T/rying

To Ken Nielson

Very funny (that is). How can such a thing be? And yet there are so

many visitors the whole time. So what else do you know? where do

people post?

Violinist.com is a popular forum for performers as well.

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I like this forum best because it is the first and the finest. Summer months are a known time of more outdoor activity, away from the computer time for many.

I do think the fall will see an increase as happens with many 'editorial' publications, readership and participation increases.

PS: little squares, to me, for violin means to hold down two strings that are played at two different times but both held down for convenience like a double stop, but played independently.

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I'll take a look for you and get back when I can.

My participation is spasmodic. Sometimes daily, other times

if I'm busier, only occasioanlly. Guess other folks are the same,

although the Pegboz forum seems yo be more active these days

than at some times in the past, or is it my imagination?

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In addition to the forum mentioned by C. B. Fiddler, fiddle players who posted at Maestronet have migrated to Fiddleforum. The trend has been for much more activity in the Pegbox section but there are still some old time posters here and some occasional new ones. Posting seems to be down at all the string boards. Soundpost Online still exists but is dead and Sheila's Corner violin board has very little activity.

I'm with Ken Nielsen that Maestronet is still the best. It has a good mix of string enthusiasts.

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In the edition available online (it doesn't specify what edition....)

caprices

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the dynamic indications ("f"'s)

are given which correspond to my old Italian edition

based on the paganini manuscript at Casa Ricordi.

If you wish to explore this further

can you indicate precisely where those "squares" are printed?

What do your little squares look like?

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Let me quote Applebuam's book in a more detailed fashion.

Quote " To smoothly connect notes on two strings, we frequently cover two strings with the same finger.

In third measure the 1st finger will cover the A and E strings. the small note (square) in the 3 rd measure is a guiding note. It is to be stopped but not played ( play subsequently , he meant) " on p.14 of his String builder book.

Ken Nielson's explanation and my quote are the same S/till's question makes good sense, because if the

music is written on a different key, (different fingerings) those "square notes" may make playing

easier or more difficult? Good question.

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