Guadagnini violin on eBay

[pasman]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...06214&rd=1&rd=1

Hello!

Maybe someone is already seen that violin.

Please write your opinion. For me it looks like Guadagnini but LOB

36 is too big. But I’m only learning’s.

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But if it would be Guad. what

may it worth in that terrible condition? Not too much I think. Very

sad sight…

P.S. Maybe someone will kindly explain me

– why I couldn’t write in Message Text window? Only

copy-paste… Thanks

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Boris

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[fiddlecollector]

One tip if you look at the inside pictures you will see that it didnt have any upper corner blocks.(But they have been added by someone later).

[jonfrohnen]

wowzers...will anyone agree with me in saying that looks like more trouble than it's worth?

[Brad Dorsey]

Yes.

[Lyndon Taylor]

The price might not

be so unreasonable if it was a genuine Guadagnini, assuming a

$20,000USD restoration, a revarnished Guad could easily fetch

$100,000, there's money to be made if its real, but OH, OH how much

money to be lost if its a fake, already mentioned the top corner

blocks look  new, the markings on the inside top seem to

indicate it originally did not have top blocks, and that label,

very suspicious, nice colour but that doesn't mean anything, but

the ink especially on the numbers; no fading over 240 yrs, how

could that be? add to that this seller always has suspicious labels

in cheap instruments, no certificates, doesn't seem to be operating

on the up and up if you know what I mean, however it caught my

interest, a Strad in this condition could easily be worth $100k why

not $20k for a Guad, sincerely Lyndon J Taylor

[C.B.Fiddler]

The ink is incredibly crisp for 240 yrs of an apparently tough life.

Funny how there is a question mark shape in the soundpost patch - Guad is speaking to us from the beyond!

[Omobono]

There is much to admire in the details. I like the purfling,

the f-holes done with authority.

If anything the head is a little disappointing.

Don't know if the dimensions match up.

I can feel the saliva flowing

- love to have a play of this baby fully restored.

[SakamotoRyoma]

I'm just an amateur and have only once seen a genuine

Guadagnini.

I'm suspicious about this violin, because I usually seen a pin on

back plate not in the midline of center-joint but an slightly

deviated, and he usually used slightly larger pin to fix back to

blocks.

and f holes, in the Parma period, I understand that the nicks are

slightly below the midline of f holes, and upper wings also seem

not the same with those I've seen on book.

I have no idea of internal structures, but the linings seem not to

be inserted in the corner blocks.

It is just my novice opinion and possibly wrong.

I also attached photos of Guadagnini from the same period. The

photos are from my forum which someone posted for showing. I have

no idea it is his or not.

[Omobono]

quote:

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Originally posted by:

SakamotoRyoma

I'm suspicious about this violin, because I usually seen a pin on

back plate not in the midline of center-joint but an slightly

deviated, and he usually used slightly larger pin to fix back to

blocks.

and f holes, in the Parma period, I understand that the nicks are

slightly below the midline of f holes, and upper wings also seem

not the same with those I've seen on book.

I have no idea of internal structures, but the linings seem not to

be inserted in the corner blocks.

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You seem to be very observant and raise some good points.

I also like the instrument you have illustrated.

This one (from the cozio.com site) does seem to have

a more centrally placed pin.

[pasman]

Yes, and other one from cozio. I revised many
photos of Guad. violins and noticed that bottom half of f-holes is
look like Giadagnini but upper is a little shorter. Maybe I’m
not right?

Please explain about corner blocks…
 

[Pablissimo]

My humble opinion is that this is a fake. The lower f-holes look

rather sloppily done, assuming they have not been re-carved at some

point. (Look at the lower part of the f-holes relative to the

bouts.  The treble side f-hole is closer to the treble bout

than the bass one is to the bass bout!  It is also a bit

larger.  Guadagnini f-holes tend to be closer to the center of

the instrument and certainly more elegantly carved.)  

Someone owning a violin of the caliber of a Guadagnini would most

likely have obtained a photo certificate from a noted luthier, thus

enabling said owner to charge many many thousands more for the

instrument. The absense of a certificate and the mis-matched

f-holes are warning signs. Also, who removes the varnish from a

Guadagnini??? My guess is that this is a good German made copy.

Another note: the seller also is very careful never to state that

this violin is authentic.  Why not?  Just my two cents.

[rarecellos]

My friends, IMHO, at least from the photos... it looks like this listing sold for a high price of 3000GBP for a badly repaired old fiddle.

rc

[fiddlecollector]

And to a Russian antiques dealer .I wonder if hes going to pass it off as real. He has a picture of Russian violinist Vladimir Spivakov,in his `about me section.`

[pasman]

quote:

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Originally posted by:

fiddlecollector

And to a

Russian antiques dealer .I wonder if hes going to pass it off as

real. He has a picture of Russian violinist Vladimir Spivakov,in

his `about me section.`

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Fiddlecollector,

You don’t like Russian antique dealers?

Some kind of bad experience maybe?

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I bought it, I think that is good violin,

Guadagnini or not. I will not sell it as real. If violin will sound

good I’ll play it. If not that will be good lesson.

[fiddlecollector]

Hi Boris,

No i havent anything at all against Russian antique dealers.I have against a certain Ukrainian.(but thats another story). I think you have overpaid for it (by alot).

I dont think its anything to do with Guadagnini.But a stripped German or French instrument from the mid to late 19th century. The scroll looks a little Guadagnini though(more so than the usual copies/models). The condition is absolutely awful.

[pasman]

Dishonest dealers is everywhere, not only in Russia and Ukraine... I know few even in USA! :-)

I believe that in violins you understand much greater that I (I'm violin-player, and expert-beginner :-) ) but I shown violin to few experts whom opinion I trust. And funny - they said different things... So I decided to give a try.

Best,

Boris

[pasman]

Look at that violin, wood - http://www.cozio.com/instrument.aspx?id=2053

[Fellow]

I think most reliable thing to do is to trace back the ownership of this "thing".

If some rich person bought it from a reputable dealer for 50 years, and

has receipt of it. The dealer also has sold many great instruments before.

Why not? It could be a real McCoy for $20K ? Without any history that one

could trace back, your guess is just

good as mine.

[Stuts]

It's been fun following the Guadagnini saga. I was given a chance to play one once: don't remember what it looked like, but I remember the sound.

The forum is a good antidote to ebay: thanks for making it available (just joined).

Boris, please let us know how it works out. Hope it is the genuine article.