Hill type finer tuner problem


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I've put the beautiful hill type golden fine tuner for my e loop

end string this morning.  When I was trying to put

the new Evah pirazzi gold  E string on it, it broke.

 Its really heartbreaking.  How can I install the loop E

string in safety way?  Is it coz of the design problem of

the hill type fine tuner so the E loop strings easily broke?

And I really want to know what's the difference of sound between

ball end and loop end strings.  

thx

Alix

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Alix,

That is frustrating!

Those tuners have sharp edges that sometimes need to be deburred. The sharp edges will break the string over and over if you don't fix it. You will need a small round file that you can usually get one from a good hardware store. Even sandpaper will work if you can roll it into a little tube and sand the edges. Good luck.

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I round it with a mouse tail file too, and cover it with some super glue too, to make it rounder.

I think the loop could be line covered by the manufacture, that would avoid the problem too.

You can mend the string this way: take the string out of the instrument and keep it 10 meters away, because you will work with super glue and it can damage the varnish on your instrument. Fold the end of the string to make a new loop. Round some sewing line over it to keep the loop in place and apply some super glue over the line. Let it dry completely. You will have a new loop and be able to use the string again. I've done that many, many times.

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Manfio's advice is excellent.  I have recently switched to

pure-gut strings (love 'em) and was having problems with the e's

breaking.  You're not "supposed" to use fine-tuners with gut

E's.  I found that soaking the knot & loop in superglue

and letting it harden for an hour or so solves the problem.  I

have had three pure gut E's done like this, holding just fine on

three Hill mini tuners, for almost a week now.  If this works

for pure gut, surely it will work for an Evah.

BTW-  I now have also filed my tuners' arms slightly, for

added assurance, but did not do this for the first 3-4 days and

still had no problems.  I considered also adding a thin rubber

or teflon coating to the arm, (like what Martina describes)

but that might cause the tiniest bit of sonic change, so why bother

if the current method is holding?

Concerning ball-end vs loop,  I doubt anyone really knows.

 Who has actually checked this?  If there is a

difference, surely it is incredibly small and insignificant in the

big picture.

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thx all.  But if there is no difference between loop end and

ball end, why there are two products in the market?  There

must be sth different between two, otherwise I'm sure after

breaking several gold E loop strings, nobody willing to use loop

end strings anymore.

btw, Allan, thx for your advice on improving my antique violin's G,

D strings sound.  Now G is louder but always have

siiiiiiiiiiiisiiiiiiiiiiiisiiiiiiiiiiii sound when I play the G

string, and the D still weak.  I'm wondering what happened and

very worry whether there are cracks on the top which create that

sound.  I still dunno how to distinguish the real cracks and

just scratch, can anybody teach me how to distinguish between two?

 Recently I'm too poor to go to luthiers to fix my violins

problem so I gotta solve all those  problem by myself.

 And its a good excuse to push myself learning some basic

repairing technique now.

many thx

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I had the same problem with the Hill tuner breaking the loop end of the string, and complained to the seller about it. Then she told me..."Oh well, you're supposed to buy the little plastic guards with the tuner". (an additional $3 for 8 or 10 of them). It's very annoying but this seems to be the situation. Pretty silly, or maybe they sell more strings that way.......ha ha BTW: I recommend tweezers, a magnifying glass and some super glue if you've got it, for this operation. I also put a piece of white xerox paper under the tailpiece and curl up the sides to catch the deer tick sized piece of plastic when it falls during the first few trys. Sort of like doing neurosurgery on insects.

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