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Has anyone purchased the Violin mastery DVD's that are advertisted on violinist.com?? There are supposed to be master classes of Clayton Haslop teaching Kruetzer Etudes 2-22. Its seems interesting, but they are a bit expensive and I wonder how valuable it would be.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Joker/Jeff - I'm glad you asked this question, because I, too, after reading the ads in various magazines, wonder if it is a good course. I hope someone answers! Shirley

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I have ordered from www.stringology.com the following (for my daughter and her violin teacher)

Kreutzer 42 Studies: CD, Score & Guide

(Israelievitch/Wilson)

It should be sent out this month and I will let you know what I thought about this. DOn't know about the one advertised on violinist.com and so I cannot comment.

Cheers,

Allegro

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Hi GMM22

No, I am still waiting. I was sent an e-amil about 4 weeks ago saying that the CD and the book has been shipped. I am in Australia and I think it will take about 6-8 weeks.

Cheers,

Allegro

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I couldfind little online about Mr. Haslop other than he

was once associated with the New Hollywood String Quartet at one

time -- I believe they have disbanded now...I can't find that he

has much in the way of a curriculum vitae either for performing or

teaching...therefore, it's difficult to judge merit from past

results...however, I'm inclined towards skepticism of any

remarkable transformation his advice might offer and -- more to the

point--  I'm disclined to part with upwards of $450 for all

three volumes of his Kreutzer series...I did examine his

website:

http://www.violinmastery.com/

...he does offer some videos of his performing on the website:

http://www.violinmastery.com/videos.htm

...while the performances are good  they aren't anything to

get excited over...moreover, they don't provide any examples of him

actually teaching the pieces...and then there is his blog:

http://www.violinmastery.com/violinsecrets/index.html

...reading it over I didn't feel as though he offered anything

particularly trancendental or otherwise special...and frankly he

sounds just a bit FOS with a pitch for either his DVD's or his

seminar every three or four paragraphs...at the very least I think

I would make sure he offered a money back if not satisfied

guarantee before making a purchase.

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Warning!!!! DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS COURSE.  I have a

friend who purchased this course and we looked at it together.

 This course is a total rip off!!  The Kreutzer score

edition that came with the dvd's was extremely

unorganized. This guy sounds like one of those "get rich quick"

type of real estate scams on television (i.e. Carlton Sheets No

Down Payment Real Estate System).  Mr Haslop definitely is

full of himself.  He's a very good player, but not a "master".

 He needs to learn how to be more humble.  He's a lot

better than most typical "neighborhood" teachers, but definitely

doesn't rank among the top conservatory or international teachers.

 Look at his performing and teaching credentials.  It's a

bunch of b.s. and no substance.  Did he produce top

international soloists like Dorothy Delay (i.e. Midori or Sarah

Chang) or Zakhar Bron (i.e. Vadim Repin or Maxim Vengerov)?

 

For $450, this money can be better spent than throwing it in the

trash.  Ruggiero Ricci only charges $200 for a 6 hr violin

lesson.  He teaches privately in southern california and you

can learn alot more from Ricci in 1/2 day than with this

course.

In contrast, my friend and I also examined the Kreutzer method book

by David Wilson and Jacques Israelevitch. These materials are

better organized than the Haslop course.  I think you're

getting a lot more value for your money.  

Hope this answers your questions.

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Hi Jeff,

I have the Kreutzer course and love it. Haslop is a great teacher. What I love about these DVDs is that you really see HOW it's supposed to be done.

BTW, great performers can be great teachers. Look at Milstein, Haslop's mentor and teacher. He didn't have the time or interest to teach full time in a conservatory. You should check out Haslop's playing on YouTube.com - you'll see the great Milsteing bow arm - so rare these days. His Saint Saens Intro and Allegro is stunning.

And, contrary to what has been reported, the course does NOT cost $450. Vol 1 and 2 (6 DVDs and 3 CDs plus scores which have bowings and fingerins) is $281. And well worth every penny. I'm going to attend one of his masterclasses next year. Will report back about that.

To sum up: HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

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I remember my teacher made me practise #2 & 3 for very long time. First I had to memorize the notes, then I played with variations and bowings. From this etude, I learned martelle, sautille, spiccato and ricochet. The important thing is the teacher must clearly explain to the pupil the mechanics of executing each bowing technique, e.g. like Sassmanhaus in violinmasterclass.com that kind of instruction. I would like to know whether in Haslop's DVD instruction has this critical element in it.

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The violinmasterclass website is particularly nice...there are

downloadable pdf files explaining the various techniques plus

videos demonstrating both instruction of the techniques as well as

videos of student performances illustrating use of the

techniques...moreover, its all FREE...Mr. Haslop's course requires

three volumes to cover just the Kreutzer etudes and all three

volumes (volumes 1, 2 AND 3) cost almost $450.

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quote:


Originally posted by: Andres Sender

Perfect.

Or would any owner of this DVD set be so kind to post a clip or two to illustrate their points in their thumbs up/down comments? Youtube is a great place for such purpose.

Many thanks in advance.

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Hi David,

Yes, in Vol.1 detache, martele and up-bow staccato are covered in

great detail. I prefer theses DVDs to Sassmanhaus for so many

reasons - Haslop's manner of teaching and in depth detail of each

Etude are in a class by themselves. What violinmasterclass offers

cannot compare.

Haslop doesn't do the "all-in-one" approach. He's meticulous and

totally inspiring. Furthermore if you watch his new performance

videos on violinmastery.com you'll see that he knows how to apply

what he teaches. A incomparable value.

Speaking of value and money - notice how Haslop's site doesn't have

Ads all over the place. Money is just energy. Energy is acquired in

different ways. You get what you pay for.

To keep the record straight one more time - there is no Vol.

3. To get the truth, and avoid slander, just check out his

excellent site. BTW he often answers readers questions in his

newsletter.

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Originally posted by: Andres Sender

Miles--Allegro isn't getting the Haslop version. You beat me again in observation.

In any event, I would follow sue on this DVD set (or other DVD's for studies). But before I part with my "King", I would like to hear 3rd and more opinions.

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I would take violin17 words at face value. I am thru the Kreutzer 42, but I am curious about Haslop DVD pedagogical value. I hope to find several friends to pool the money to buy a set.

His performance of Praleudium and allegro has lots of passion albeit at too fast tempo. Introduction and Rondo Capricioso is OK, but I like Perlman and Stern much better. At the low pitch region, his fiddle's sound is so dry compared to Stern's warm and broad sound.

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Strad1:

In contrast, my friend and I also examined the Kreutzer method book by David Wilson and Jacques Israelevitch. These materials are better organized than the Haslop course. I think you're getting a lot more value for your money.

________________________________________________________________________________

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Yes, Andres - I am not getting the Haslop version. From the comment by Strad1, I am looking forward to receiving the book. It is certainly a lo cheaper than Haslop - only US$60.00 - I bought it before it was release and so I got a discount, I think I only paid US$50.00 for it.

I am not a violinist (a pianist in fact) but helping my 9-year old with practicing Kreutzer and her technical work. This should surely help me, at least I would know what it sound like on a violin. :-)

Cheers,

Allegro

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I ordered Haslop Kreutzer DVD ($263). After I review it, I will post here again. I also ordered a complete 42 etude played by Cihat Askin (2 CD 2006, $19.94, www.tulumba.com).

Kreutzer is considered by many as the landmark or bible of violin studies. Personally, I feel that Mazas 75 is a lot more interesting to play than Kreutzer. Mazas book 3 is well above Kreutzer in technical level.

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Fascinating,

Cihat has produced a CD of Kreutzer, what an idea.

I remember him well from our days in London, he was a great player. What I admired most was his amazing geography of the Violin, he just seemed at home everywhere and anywhere on the fingerboard.

Well done to him!

I would imagine it's good recordings (in terms of the quality of the playing) and I can see how it might be helpful to students all over.

Personaly, I don't like at least 1/2 the book (sorry, everyone) but I, like most before and after, have done nearly all of it.

T_D

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I have those cd's and it is not worth it.

It is mostly in tune, but not always, his vibrato is more intuative than thought through and his violin only sings a times. And musically... Well, I don't feel that he has given these pieces enough concideration.bHe has given them some thinking, but I bet that he can and would domore if he had an other go, or if he recorded them over a longer period of time.

He might be a superb violinist but it feels that he has not practised enough on these pieces. To bad.

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Point taken fiolmattias, If I ever see him again, I'll find out what the deal was. I certainly wouldn't want to try this project....so much to lose, so much opportunity for others to find fault and little to gain?

T_D

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