Danielle Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 This summer I am going to be playing 3 Beethoven sonatas, nos. 5,6 and 8. What is a good complete edition of sheet music and what is a good recording? Danielle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 I like Oistrack. I find Anne Sophie Mutter quite interesting too, very personal, although very criticized by many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Victor Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 I like Aaron Rosand's recordings of the Beethoven violin/piano sonatas. They match my own sense of them better than most others I've heard. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thom Posted April 24, 2006 Report Share Posted April 24, 2006 I would go with Oistrakh, Rosand, or Szeryng. Unfortunately, my favorites, Szymon Goldberg and Lili Kraus only recorded 5, 9 and 10, and the recording is almost impossible to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron MacDonald Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Szigeti and Arrau in live performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eblackadder Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I just heard a very odd recording with Fritz Kreisler and Rachmaninov. Before my freind put it on I thought sure, but it turned out to be by far the best Beethoven sonata recording I have ever heard. Kreisler at his very best pre stroke. Very light and musical. I found it to be very touching, unlike most recordings. It was just 8 though. The recording was from 1938. It was on a very strange label from Germany. I do agree the Oistrakh recordings are very consistant in quality and as a set are probably my favorites. How about the Mintz rcordings? Anyone have those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eblackadder Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I just heard a very odd recording with Fritz Kreisler and Rachmaninov. Before my freind put it on I thought sure, but it turned out to be by far the best Beethoven sonata recording I have ever heard. Kreisler at his very best pre stroke. Very light and musical. I found it to be very touching, unlike most recordings. It was just 8 though. The recording was from 1938. It was on a very strange label from Germany. I do agree the Oistrakh recordings are very consistant in quality and as a set are probably my favorites. How about the Mintz rcordings? Anyone have those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toscha Posted May 28, 2006 Report Share Posted May 28, 2006 Kreisler/Rachmaninoff recordings were made in 1928, not 1938. However, Kreisler recorded the complete set with Franz Rupp in 1935-36. Although the security of Kreisler's intonation was not as reliable as in his 1920s recordings, they are still marvellously warm and enjoyable by any standard, and Rupp's contribution should not be overlooked either. He was a fine musician with keen sense of ensemble, rather than diligent but unimaginateve accompanist (such as Emmanuel Bay in the Heifetz set). I find it impossible to single out a set as the definitive or best since all the sonatas are quite different in characters. Some does very well in the early sonatas (such as Boskkovsky/Kraus, Francescatti/Casadesus and Grumiaux Haskil), others in more dramatic, bigger sonatas (such as Heifetz/Bay, Kremer/Argerich and Pamela & Claude Frank). Ideally, one should own more than one set. It is much more enjoyable that way. I will list three of my "current" (it may change tomorrow. I am fickle) favorites for each sonatas. If you don't agree with my choices, it just means you have a different taste from mine. Nobody is correct in this regard. In no particular order: No.1 Kreisler/Rupp, Kremer/Argerich, Boskovsky/Kraus No.2 Kreisler/Rupp, Francescatti/Casadesus, Kremer/Argerich No.3 Heifetz/Bay (2nd recording), Grumiaux/Haskil, Kreisler/Rupp No.4 Kreisler/Rupp, Grumiaux/Haskil, Mutter/Oakis No.5 Kreisler/Rupp, Szigeti/Schnabel, Morini/Firkusny No.6 Kreisler/Rupp, Heifetz/Bay, Grumiaux/Haskil No.7 Menuhin/Kentner, Szeryng/Reiner (live), Heifetz/Bay No.8 Kreisler/Rachmaninoff, Busch/Serkin, Szeryng/Rubinstein No.9 Gitlis/Argerich, Huberman/Friedman, Thibaud/Cortot No.10 Szigeti/Schnabel, Mutter/Oakis, Menuhin/Gould T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Hi Tosha! I've heard the cycle with Mutter and I found it quite interesting, fresh, and personal, but I know many that will frown upon it. I'm thinking about getting the DVD with the whole cycle with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thom Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I dislike Mutter's interpretations, particularly of the Spring sonata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecrivain Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Busch-Serkin duo recordings. In my opinion these are definitive. Regards, E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle Posted June 1, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 I bought the Kremer, mainly on the request of my teacher, and I really like it. He puts so much life in every one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewarts Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'm surprised no one mentioned Dumay. As a set it is at least the modern equivalent of Oistrakh's. His interpretation is the most dramatic of everything I've heard and it works surprisingly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 +++++++++++++ I find Anne Sophie Mutter quite interesting too, very personal, although very criticized by many. ( ORIGINALLY POSTED BY MANFIO) ++++++++++++++++++ Hi I feel the same. Her recording (performance of Sonatas) is a DVD which is more real than sound recordings. It is unfair to compare it to "no picture" sound recordings which can be edited a hundred time until it is perfect. Mistakes could be erased, repaired etc. DVDs are harder to make,more expensive to make, therefore so few. Midori's tape is also good. Why? Live recording. (Period) Vengorov's too, live recording!! Show your stuff which is hard. PS. You can see what instrument they used in forformances. I can see Midori's violin bridge. Mutter's facial expression (like it or not beside the point, I happen like it a lot). Vengorovs' "Bach" (very impressive) They brought us to a different level of appreciation.. Man.( Don't call me. I am taking a break) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toscha Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I don't agree with DVD being more real than sound recordings. Of course images can be edited if one wish to do so. How do you think movies are made(I am NOT talking about home-made movies obviously)? They are not made of a single "take." And, some of the live "sound" recordings are rather dubious in nature as well. For example, Horowitz's 1965 Carnegie Hall concert had a few portions of "retakes" inserted because Horowitz was not happy about the result. If one wants to hear real "unedited" recordings, one should listen to recordings originated from 78s (shellac discs) when splicing technique was not available. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fine Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Anyone have any updates to the information here? I'm getting ready to perform No. 10 (my first performing chamber music on violin in a decade or so). As usual, I miss having Toscha on the board. PS- The Kreisler/Rupp recording is my favorite at the moment. So much style!!! Szigeti/Schnabel is a close second, wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron MacDonald Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Especially remarkable since the Szigeti/Schnabel as well as the Szigeti/Arrau were live performances! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will L Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 As usual, I miss having Toscha on the board. Anyone using the name Toscha is OK in my book!!! But 2006 was before my time on MN. What was his story, if you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fine Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I don't know. All I know is that Toscha had a magnificent record collection and unerring taste. Toscha stopped posting in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Stross Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 The Kreisler/Rupp recording is my favorite at the moment. So much style!!! Congratulations on some very fine taste and best of luck at the recital ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy jane Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 I have a special fondness for Francescatti/Casadesus--though they go like the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Victor Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 I have long thought the recorded performances of all 10 sonatas by Aaron Rosand & Eileen Flissler especially sensitive and compelling. The nearly 4 hour complete recording is available on YouTube. Try it. Unfortunately the YouTube recording is continuous without separation between sonatas or movements. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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