techfiddle Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 I like the instruments here: ">http://www.daniellarson.com/violins/vln.htm Is there any kind of general notion about a comparison between copies of these great masters? e.g., Strads are sweeter, or ..I don't know...anything? Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 BTW, Mr. Borseman on ProViolin had this to say: In general professional musicians opinions is, A. Strads are brighter, Del Gesu Guarneries darker and more powerful sounding than Strads, N. Amatis sweeter and less powerful sounding than Strads, et cetera. I can assure you, there are plenty of exceptions. Well, I believe in never discus taste or myths. My advice is look for a pure long ringing sound that can blend in and stand out at the same time. First position and open E-string will sound marvellous on a good violin, as well as the highest positions. These qualities are rare to find among modern violins. Please look at http://www.atelierlabussiere.com/ Ivan Labussiere, several makers, scientists and I always share our latest knowledge. Ivan is an extremely gifted maker, for the time being working on his new violin-building book in Portuguese. ...your thoughts? Thanks, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hi Connie, To tell the truth, I am tired of being told that Stard is wonderful,Del Gesu is great. The reason is that I never have a previlage to play one, let alone to compare them. What I have experience with are my own violins which are copies of these great masters, as their master copies, brighter and darker in exactly the same order. Older violins seem more responsive and easier to play. I know a very good player who is not rich but paid 300K for a violin and also $30K for another violin. There must be a reason which I never know or understand because I do not have his good ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hi Yuen: The instruments that we're looking at for me are all copies. None of them are the originals, which belong in museums or with very eminent players who can afford them, and afford to insure them. I would not feel comfortable with one. However, a 10-12K or even up to 20K would be fine for me. It's just this search of finding the right one that is causing a problem right now. I like Dan Larson and now I like these, the http://www.atelierlabussiere.com/ca012.htm But I don't have the price list on these yet. I'm wondering about the bows, too. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLucky Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Like you Yuen, i am also sick of hearing how great those master violins are, because sadly i have pretty good ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted December 30, 2005 Report Share Posted December 30, 2005 Hi Mrlucky, You are lucky to have good ears. You can hear more harmonics than I, it is not so bad. Why it is sad? By the way, thank you for your notice my terrible photo icon. I am not always like that (sometime worst. lol) Seriously I am holding the bow too hard, a common mistake, I know. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr461 Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 I have a Carlo Bergonzi--it has a very dark quailty and tremendous carrying power. Generally, the wider bouted Cremonese violins have deep power and sustain. However, few people could distinguish between a Strad and A Guarnieri blindfolded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted January 1, 2006 Report Share Posted January 1, 2006 Hummm.... Take for instance Uto Ughi's Del Gesù and Leonidas Kavacos Strad.... they are very different in terms of sound. Once I played the CD THE GLORY OF CREMONA for a friend, a fine violist with a kenn ear. I was amazed how precisely he described the sound of the violins: this one is darker, this is more open, this is very sweet, this one has an edge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_Rocca Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 You mean Ughi when he is still playing the Ole Bull Del Gesu? and Kavacos's long pattern Strad? Keep in mind that long pattern isnt normal strad as we know them quote: Originally posted by: MANFIO Hummm.... Take for instance Uto Ughi's Del Gesù and Leonidas Kavacos Strad.... they are very different in terms of sound. Once I played the CD THE GLORY OF CREMONA for a friend, a fine violist with a kenn ear. I was amazed how precisely he described the sound of the violins: this one is darker, this is more open, this is very sweet, this one has an edge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Option1 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Hah! Phooey on those with good ears I say! I'm lucky if I can tell the difference between what tune is being played. However, this does have one truly wonderful advantage. It means I (may one day, possibly, maybe) sound good to myself. We won't mention the disadvantage that I'll always sound like stewed cabbage to everyone else. I told you not to mention that. Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 No, not the Ole Bull, he has changed it for another one, perhaps The Rose, a very dark, almost a viola sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Brown Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 'Scuse me. Gotta get some 2-sided Scotch tape and drag the Garbanzo outa my Peccadillo. It's been in there a couple of years and could draw some hefty bids on e-bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmageek Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Maybe I should start a new thread on this but doesn't any one of you think of a violin as good sounding. Do you have in mind a violin that you like. I have listened to a lot of violins being played. I do have a violin in mind that I like the sound of. It is one of the ones mentioned above. I think it is the best sounding violin I have heard. It is played by someone you would call a fiddle player. Anyone want to guess what fiddle I am thinking of? -dogma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Does Uto Ughi play the del Gesu that used to belong to Arthur Grumiaux? That's an incredible instrument, to judge from recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 It seems his playing a 1744 Del Gesù, and the Stradivari Kreutzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillW Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 That's the violin illustrated on the Grumiaux website. Click on "Galerie" at the top of the page and then on "Violon." Grumiaux It has apparently passed into the hands of Uto Ughi. 1744 del Gesu When you listen to the Grumiaux recording of the Bach Sonatas and Partitas you can hear the richness and power of that instrument, as well as a great violinist performing music of a great composer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANFIO Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Hi, thank you for the Grumiaux site. The year being 1744 and the eyes of the scroll being of the "bar handle" type (as Michael named it) it may be that Katarina Guarneri worked on this violin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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