Omobono Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 quote: Originally posted by: falstaff Print with it? I'm not following your implication. Can anyone suggest other terms they have heard applied to this part of an f-hole between the wings? Sorry....... I meant "into print" - meaning, are you going to publish your research!? The length between the wings - I found another diagram showing it as the "shaft" and some other terminology for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Omo... I suspect this is as published as it's going to get. Shaft. Stem. Not sure. I think we can come up with something better. Myself, I like "lake" as it's a great expanse of negative space. "S t e m" would be orthographically correct -- that is, if we stick to the idea that this is an "f", then the long part of the letter is called the "stem." I think S t e m makes sense. Unless I hear a compelling reason not to go with that, stem it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 per chi che preferisce discutere il violino nella lingua pura ed originale........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 I like lobe. Though I would place it alongside "eye." I'm uncompelled by shaft -- and think stem is, the more I think about it, the correct term, coming as it does from orthography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 quote: Originally posted by: falstaff I like lobe. Though I would place it alongside "eye." I'm uncompelled by shaft -- and think stem is, the more I think about it, the correct term, coming as it does from orthography. Was thinking about the aptness of "stem" in that it relates nicely to musical notation. Other words that might bear some consideration: beam? (again from musical notation) stroke? (from calligraphy) spokes?(radiating from the central nicks) fronds? (as in ferns) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcos Schmitz Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Bow details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Thanks for the contributions, Licastro. With your permission I will post them "inline." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Classy presentation, chaps!The only thing I have a problem with is the distiction between the two wood types (Brazilwood and Pernambuco) from photos such as these. Color is no help since Pernambuco can also be paler, and without a close-up of the grain one could say nothing more. Unless I'm mistaken, the mounting of the bows and other finishing would not be a guide either to the wood used. In short, I don't see the benefit of the last photo, or am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I would agree that the last photo would be of little real use in determining if a bow is brazilwood or pernambucco. Perhaps this comes from a web/dealer who is showing HIS two types of bows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 the center line on the back of the scroll? Are we settling for ridge? spine? column? fin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'm not settling on anything until we hear from some of the makers in the forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.R.Fisher Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 quote: Originally posted by: falstaff Stern. I like that. It would be good to have a term for this feature in an f-hole, as it is often very telling. Whether it is overly wide. Whether it is upright or slanted. Can anyone suggest other terms they have heard applied to this part of an f-hole between the wings? I appreciate this informative topic. I have not heard of this but if we are looking for a name, what about "cleft" this would be descriptive and also have a musical connotation. Just a thot, Henry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 With regard to those bow photos - pernambuco and brazilwood, here are two samples both listed as pernambuco (although many sites seem to list the two words as synonymous) Was thinking, falstaff, something that would be useful would be a glossary of terms used in describing wood grain and curl with illustrations - I can't put my hands on anything yet, ------ another challenge for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Falstaff, I hope you don't mind, and I hope I don't get into trouble for doing this, but I archived all those pictures here: Violin Parts so I can show them to my students. Okay?? P.S. Note that this is a free GeoCities page, so if it gets too many hits, it shuts down temporarily. Just try back a little later, it'll be fine.[ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Here is a nice bit of Pernambucco for comparison's sake. Note long horizontal grains and the faint stripping of tiny dots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Here are some maple pattens from violins backs. What kind of terms would we use to describe their appearance? 1. even straight curl? 2. regular fine curl? 3. prominant ascending medium curl? 4. wide descending curl? 5. wide ascending curl? 6. irregular ascending curl? 7. wide horizontal curl? 8. faint ascending curl? 9. knotted maple? 10. Bird's eye? This is the sort of terminology one reads on certificates. Can you correct or add to this glossary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 quote: Originally posted by: techfiddle Falstaff, I hope you don't mind, and I hope I don't get into trouble for doing this, but I archived all those pictures here: It would be preferable (to me at least) if you simply linked to this topic rather than duplicating my (our)work on another public site. This is meant for members. There's no reason your students cannot browse as guests and get the context and discussion these images may inspire. Of course I cannot control what others do with these or any other images that are posted. --Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Omo, I think others here know a great deal more about how to describe the curl quality of the maple. Tonewoods, for instance, and JH and MD.... But I think there's another aspect you are missing in your description: Quarter Cut versus Slab Cut. I think the top row is quarter, the bottom slab. Please, experts, jump in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Yeap!... Of course. I'm happy just to make the suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 It looks beautiful; I know the children will enjoy it. Thank you. Law suits to the left, please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I'll be more direct, tech fiddle. I didn't make these labeled photographs for your site. You do NOT have my permission to use the ones I created. You should link to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I just removed them all. I'm very, very sorry; it didn't occur to me that you would object. Please accept my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Note to contributors: it would be appropriate, where possible, to note where an image came from. And put a link in to the source web site (if one exists. e.g. celloheaven and reutterer supra). You can PM me sources and I will edit messages to include them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techfiddle Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 I've taken them all down now. If anyone would like to contribute images to that page, let me know. Thanks for your patience, Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Here is an interesting site: ThinkQuest.org - the violin It has some nice images. Worth a peek, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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