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It was so much fun reading the responses to both my call for the formation of the Old Dogs Chamber Orchestra/Fiddle Band as well as to M. Alice's related posts, that I thought for our inaugural rehearsal, I'd summarize the makeup of our group. I gleaned these stats from the responses to mine and M. Alice?s post. This is *not* meant to be scientific :), as I took some ?interpretive? license, so please don?t hesitate to correct me.

Group size: 19

Gender makeup: 70% (14) female, 30% (5) male

Age range: 27 to 50+ (?)

Average age: approx. 44

Countries of Residence: US, Canada, Germany, Australia (did I miss any?)

Rehearsal location: Janieb?s (where ever that is??)

Refreshment chairperson: Louise (can?t wait for the crumbcake)

Best Fans: Ann Brown, cows (M. Alice:) (I don't mean Ann Brown is a cow!!!)

Instruments: 15% Cao:) (others?)

Favorite musical styles: symphonic orchestra, chamber music, Baroque music (particularly Bach and Vivaldi), country music, jazz, Irish fiddling, Texas and southern fiddling

Most common problem as an adult beginner: being taken seriously, finding time to practice, ?analyzing? the music too much, trying to move too fast

Best advantage as an adult beginner: motivation, focus, enthusiasm, ability to absorb a lot of information at once, ability to practice and maintain attention for long periods of time, depth of interpretation, understanding of the spiritual connection with the act of making beautiful music

In thinking how best to begin our ?virtual rehearsal?, I thought it might be fun to share the pieces of music we have either mastered and enjoy playing, or are working on. Then other members of the group can share experiences with working on that particular piece. I suspect we will break up into logical groups, so I like Louise?s call for some really cool names (versus the cheesy ones I came up with!). So I?ll start with some examples of what I play (not intended to be all inclusive):

Symphonic Orchestra:

Played in the past: Idomeneo Overture K366, Mozart

Siegfried Idyll, Wagner

Symphony in D major (Haffner) K.385, Mozart

Lord Nelson Mass in D major

Haydn (all first violin)

Currently working on:

Brahms Tragic Overture

Dvorak?s Symphony #8

Delius? The Walk to the Paradise Garden (all second violin)

Solo Repertoire (you will recognize the Suzuki repertoire here):

Vivaldi?s Concerto in A minor (all three movements)

Bach?s Concerto #3 in D minor for two violins (movement 1)

Vivaldi?s Concerto in G minor (all three movements)

Fiddling:

I focus primarily on Irish fiddling, and know too many tunes to list here.

I?ve collected the email address for most of you. I don?t typically post my email address, but have for this post. Those of you who would like, drop me a note. We could decide to do this via email if we clog the Maestronet bulletin board too much.

OK, Old Dogs, lets go gettum?........

Tina Carlsen

amsinckia@aol.com

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: It was so much fun reading the responses to both my call for the formation of the Old Dogs Chamber Orchestra/Fiddle Band as well as to M. Alice's related posts, that I thought for our inaugural rehearsal, I'd summarize the makeup of our group. I gleaned these stats from the responses to mine and M. Alice?s post. This is *not* meant to be scientific :), as I took some ?interpretive? license, so please don?t hesitate to correct me.

: Group size: 19

: Gender makeup: 70% (14) female, 30% (5) male

: Age range: 27 to 50+ (?)

: Average age: approx. 44

: Countries of Residence: US, Canada, Germany, Australia (did I miss any?)

: Rehearsal location: Janieb?s (where ever that is??)

: Refreshment chairperson: Louise (can?t wait for the crumbcake)

: Best Fans: Ann Brown, cows (M. Alice:) (I don't mean Ann Brown is a cow!!!)

: Instruments: 15% Cao:) (others?)

: Favorite musical styles: symphonic orchestra, chamber music, Baroque music (particularly Bach and Vivaldi), country music, jazz, Irish fiddling, Texas and southern fiddling

: Most common problem as an adult beginner: being taken seriously, finding time to practice, ?analyzing? the music too much, trying to move too fast

: Best advantage as an adult beginner: motivation, focus, enthusiasm, ability to absorb a lot of information at once, ability to practice and maintain attention for long periods of time, depth of interpretation, understanding of the spiritual connection with the act of making beautiful music

: In thinking how best to begin our ?virtual rehearsal?, I thought it might be fun to share the pieces of music we have either mastered and enjoy playing, or are working on. Then other members of the group can share experiences with working on that particular piece. I suspect we will break up into logical groups, so I like Louise?s call for some really cool names (versus the cheesy ones I came up with!). So I?ll start with some examples of what I play (not intended to be all inclusive):

: Symphonic Orchestra:

: Played in the past: Idomeneo Overture K366, Mozart

: Siegfried Idyll, Wagner

: Symphony in D major (Haffner) K.385, Mozart

: Lord Nelson Mass in D major

: Haydn (all first violin)

: Currently working on:

: Brahms Tragic Overture

: Dvorak?s Symphony #8

: Delius? The Walk to the Paradise Garden (all second violin)

: Solo Repertoire (you will recognize the Suzuki repertoire here):

: Vivaldi?s Concerto in A minor (all three movements)

: Bach?s Concerto #3 in D minor for two violins (movement 1)

: Vivaldi?s Concerto in G minor (all three movements)

: Fiddling:

: I focus primarily on Irish fiddling, and know too many tunes to list here.

: I?ve collected the email address for most of you. I don?t typically post my email address, but have for this post. Those of you who would like, drop me a note. We could decide to do this via email if we clog the Maestronet bulletin board too much.

: OK, Old Dogs, lets go gettum?........

: Tina Carlsen

: amsinckia@aol.com

Hi Tina, Elaine, Janie, Louise, M.Alice and other Old Dogs

Tina, you want to know my "repertoire"? Limited, that's what

it is. Truly, but I can float a few of the Suzuki pieces past you

and you can see if they're not too easy for you guys.

Humoresque (aka The Hippopotamus Song - private joke EP)

- I can bring along my three year old son Jack, he can clap

the beat for me, and he also does a great hippo impersonation.

I'm sure Ann would babysit for me.

Jewish Folk Song/Dance (aka Hava Nagilah)

- in that most trifficest of keys, and I do it especially well,

Flat B Flat.

Chanson Triste

Jesu' Joy of Man's Desiring

I can also introduce you to some Australian composers, just to add

another twist.

There is/used to be a band here called "Not Waving, Drowning". Perhaps

we could call ourselves "Not Drowning, Playing".

Elaine has great seating organisational skills, so I vote for her to

be "Seating Manager". No cyber-churches though, strictly quality gigs like

Cyber-Donald's :-) Out in the field with the cows sounds good.

I play an old German Amati copy. Sorry it's not a Cao or Doetsche, but to

be quite honest I don't think a better violin is going to help me at

this stage. I'll just upgrade straight to the Strad.

Can you please save me a chair at the back?? I'll be the one bowing against

the tide.

See you at rehearsal. :-)

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: : It was so much fun reading the responses to both my call for the formation of the Old Dogs Chamber Orchestra/Fiddle Band as well as to M. Alice's related posts, that I thought for our inaugural rehearsal, I'd summarize the makeup of our group. I gleaned these stats from the responses to mine and M. Alice?s post. This is *not* meant to be scientific :), as I took some ?interpretive? license, so please don?t hesitate to correct me.

: : Group size: 19

: : Gender makeup: 70% (14) female, 30% (5) male

: : Age range: 27 to 50+ (?)

: : Average age: approx. 44

: : Countries of Residence: US, Canada, Germany, Australia (did I miss any?)

: : Rehearsal location: Janieb?s (where ever that is??)

: : Refreshment chairperson: Louise (can?t wait for the crumbcake)

: : Best Fans: Ann Brown, cows (M. Alice:) (I don't mean Ann Brown is a cow!!!)

: : Instruments: 15% Cao:) (others?)

: : Favorite musical styles: symphonic orchestra, chamber music, Baroque music (particularly Bach and Vivaldi), country music, jazz, Irish fiddling, Texas and southern fiddling

: : Most common problem as an adult beginner: being taken seriously, finding time to practice, ?analyzing? the music too much, trying to move too fast

: : Best advantage as an adult beginner: motivation, focus, enthusiasm, ability to absorb a lot of information at once, ability to practice and maintain attention for long periods of time, depth of interpretation, understanding of the spiritual connection with the act of making beautiful music

: : In thinking how best to begin our ?virtual rehearsal?, I thought it might be fun to share the pieces of music we have either mastered and enjoy playing, or are working on. Then other members of the group can share experiences with working on that particular piece. I suspect we will break up into logical groups, so I like Louise?s call for some really cool names (versus the cheesy ones I came up with!). So I?ll start with some examples of what I play (not intended to be all inclusive):

: : Symphonic Orchestra:

: : Played in the past: Idomeneo Overture K366, Mozart

: : Siegfried Idyll, Wagner

: : Symphony in D major (Haffner) K.385, Mozart

: : Lord Nelson Mass in D major

: : Haydn (all first violin)

: : Currently working on:

: : Brahms Tragic Overture

: : Dvorak?s Symphony #8

: : Delius? The Walk to the Paradise Garden (all second violin)

: : Solo Repertoire (you will recognize the Suzuki repertoire here):

: : Vivaldi?s Concerto in A minor (all three movements)

: : Bach?s Concerto #3 in D minor for two violins (movement 1)

: : Vivaldi?s Concerto in G minor (all three movements)

: : Fiddling:

: : I focus primarily on Irish fiddling, and know too many tunes to list here.

: : I?ve collected the email address for most of you. I don?t typically post my email address, but have for this post. Those of you who would like, drop me a note. We could decide to do this via email if we clog the Maestronet bulletin board too much.

: : OK, Old Dogs, lets go gettum?........

: : Tina Carlsen

: : amsinckia@aol.com

: Hi Tina, Elaine, Janie, Louise, M.Alice and other Old Dogs

: Tina, you want to know my "repertoire"? Limited, that's what

: it is. Truly, but I can float a few of the Suzuki pieces past you

: and you can see if they're not too easy for you guys.

: Humoresque (aka The Hippopotamus Song - private joke EP)

: - I can bring along my three year old son Jack, he can clap

: the beat for me, and he also does a great hippo impersonation.

: I'm sure Ann would babysit for me.

: Jewish Folk Song/Dance (aka Hava Nagilah)

: - in that most trifficest of keys, and I do it especially well,

: Flat B Flat.

: Chanson Triste

: Jesu' Joy of Man's Desiring

:

: I can also introduce you to some Australian composers, just to add

: another twist.

: There is/used to be a band here called "Not Waving, Drowning". Perhaps

: we could call ourselves "Not Drowning, Playing".

: Elaine has great seating organisational skills, so I vote for her to

: be "Seating Manager". No cyber-churches though, strictly quality gigs like

: Cyber-Donald's :-) Out in the field with the cows sounds good.

: I play an old German Amati copy. Sorry it's not a Cao or Doetsche, but to

: be quite honest I don't think a better violin is going to help me at

: this stage. I'll just upgrade straight to the Strad.

: Can you please save me a chair at the back?? I'll be the one bowing against

: the tide.

: See you at rehearsal. :-)

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: Humoresque (aka The Hippopotamus Song - private joke EP)

: - I can bring along my three year old son Jack, he can clap

: the beat for me, and he also does a great hippo impersonation.

: I'm sure Ann would babysit for me.

One of my favorite pieces! Probably the first one I worked on after

returning to playing!

: Jewish Folk Song/Dance (aka Hava Nagilah)

: - in that most trifficest of keys, and I do it especially well,

: Flat B Flat.

Boy I know that feeling!

: I can also introduce you to some Australian composers, just to add

: another twist.

I'm really interested in this!! Please tell us about these composers,

what "style" of music, and where we can get the sheet music. I'm

always interested in expanding my regional style repertoire.

: There is/used to be a band here called "Not Waving, Drowning". Perhaps

: we could call ourselves "Not Drowning, Playing".

I like it...

: Elaine has great seating organisational skills, so I vote for her to

: be "Seating Manager". No cyber-churches though, strictly quality gigs like

: Cyber-Donald's :-) Out in the field with the cows sounds good.

I have to say, the cow idea was one of the best I've heard in a while. I

wonder if other animals would also make good audiences?

: I play an old German Amati copy. Sorry it's not a Cao or Doetsche, but to

: be quite honest I don't think a better violin is going to help me at

: this stage. I'll just upgrade straight to the Strad.

I have two German fiddles myself, a Strad copy and an Amati copy. Can

we share the Strad?

: Can you please save me a chair at the back?? I'll be the one bowing against

: the tide.

Nope, as first responder, you share the first stand in the first violins...

: See you at rehearsal. :-)

I'll be there.

Tina

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:Come on over. I'll put the coffee on and set up the chairs. BTW, my house in in lovely Eagle, Colorado. Be sure to bring your snow boots. We're supposed to get several inches tonight. Of course, it could be sunny and warm by tomorrow afternoon, so bring your t-shirts and sunscreen, to. See y'all soon!

Janieb

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Hi Tina and everybody!

I'm ready for rehersal. Please, please can I be
the principle chair of the second violins?
I neither snort nor spit, I write everything down,
I turn pages and I never play out of tune,
except for numerous very special occasions.

My Violin: 1743 Andre de L'arts a Paris

I play second violin.
We are playing Johann Christian Bach's
Sinfonietta for double orchestra and
the second symphony by Saint-Saens.

In the Past: Schubert's fifth. Beethovens 1.Piano
concerto, Bizet's first symphony, Gade's Second
symphony, Mozarts Violin Concerto in g major

Who plays Trio or Quartett and can get me going?
I never have, but I'd like to start if I dare.

Melinda Alice


: It was so much fun reading the responses to both my call for the formation of the Old Dogs Chamber Orchestra/Fiddle Band as well as to M. Alice's related posts, that I thought for our inaugural rehearsal, I'd summarize the makeup of our group. I gleaned these stats from the responses to mine and M. Alice?s post. This is *not* meant to be scientific :), as I took some ?interpretive? license, so please don?t hesitate to correct me.

: Group size: 19

: Gender makeup: 70% (14) female, 30% (5) male

: Age range: 27 to 50+ (?)

: Average age: approx. 44

: Countries of Residence: US, Canada, Germany, Australia (did I miss any?)

: Rehearsal location: Janieb?s (where ever that is??)

: Refreshment chairperson: Louise (can?t wait for the crumbcake)

: Best Fans: Ann Brown, cows (M. Alice:) (I don't mean Ann Brown is a cow!!!)

: Instruments: 15% Cao:) (others?)

: Favorite musical styles: symphonic orchestra, chamber music, Baroque music (particularly Bach and Vivaldi), country music, jazz, Irish fiddling, Texas and southern fiddling

: Most common problem as an adult beginner: being taken seriously, finding time to practice, ?analyzing? the music too much, trying to move too fast

: Best advantage as an adult beginner: motivation, focus, enthusiasm, ability to absorb a lot of information at once, ability to practice and maintain attention for long periods of time, depth of interpretation, understanding of the spiritual connection with the act of making beautiful music

: In thinking how best to begin our ?virtual rehearsal?, I thought it might be fun to share the pieces of music we have either mastered and enjoy playing, or are working on. Then other members of the group can share experiences with working on that particular piece. I suspect we will break up into logical groups, so I like Louise?s call for some really cool names (versus the cheesy ones I came up with!). So I?ll start with some examples of what I play (not intended to be all inclusive):

: Symphonic Orchestra:
: Played in the past: Idomeneo Overture K366, Mozart
: Siegfried Idyll, Wagner
: Symphony in D major (Haffner) K.385, Mozart
: Lord Nelson Mass in D major
: Haydn (all first violin)

: Currently working on:
: Brahms Tragic Overture
: Dvorak?s Symphony #8
: Delius? The Walk to the Paradise Garden (all second violin)

: Solo Repertoire (you will recognize the Suzuki repertoire here):
: Vivaldi?s Concerto in A minor (all three movements)
: Bach?s Concerto #3 in D minor for two violins (movement 1)
: Vivaldi?s Concerto in G minor (all three movements)

: Fiddling:
: I focus primarily on Irish fiddling, and know too many tunes to list here.

: I?ve collected the email address for most of you. I don?t typically post my email address, but have for this post. Those of you who would like, drop me a note. We could decide to do this via email if we clog the Maestronet bulletin board too much.

: OK, Old Dogs, lets go gettum?........

: Tina Carlsen
: amsinckia@aol.com





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Wow! This group sounds like fun--I want to play last

chair second-- I wanna--I wanna. (Less pressure and you

can usually hide behind someone else if you lose your

place in the music. I haven't learned how to fake bowing

well when this happens.)

I have a violin that is german made from Potters in DC--the

student model--Wilhelm Klier-- and a backup strad copy from

around the 1890s.

Currently I am working on the Vivaldi Concerto in A

Minor (first movement) and Mozart's Rondo in D and Boccherini's

Sonate for violin and cello. These are my solo pieces.

The ensemble is working on Telemann's Violin Concerto in G (three

movements) and Concerto a 4 (three movements), Scarlatti's Overture

to "La Rosaura", Purcell's Rondeau, Handle's Eight Operatic Pieces

(dummed down), Elgar's Sarabande and Dance Suite Prelude.

My teacher, I am sure, won't have any Irish Fiddle Music--I'd love

to play some so I will have to do that with you guys--please tell my

what some of it is and where to find it.

I'll meet you all at Janie's. I can bring my two golden retrievers--

they can make for general mayhem and steal the sheet music and play

keep away with it. They can also be taught to howl at appropriate places

in the music.

See you there!

Claire

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Yipes...you all seem to play an impressive array of pieces. I'm thinking that maybe I should just make the tea to go with the crumcakes...and sit in the audience and whistle along.

I'm writing this at work (as usual) and my memory isn't what it used to be, so my list of what I'm working on will be sort of vague. I've just finished a lot of Bach---most of the little Anna Magdalena pieces---and now I'm starting the Vivaldi Concerto in A Minor (after completing a couple Seitz student concertos). I'm finding certain passages very tough, and I'm sure Vivaldi groans in his grave when I pick up my fiddle. I would like to request that I only play in the "tutti" sections if our orchestra takes up this work for any future performances or CD recordings...I am happy to leave the solo section to one of the more experienced dogs.

About my violin...I'm a little insecure about that topic. It's an intermediate student model made in Germany and not old. Is this what the snooties who write in to this board refer to as a "German crackerbox"? It actually has a decent sound and is well-made (part factory/part by hand). One thing is for sure, it's a better instrument than I am a player!

So...count me in for the first rehearsal. What I can't play, I'll fake.

DJ

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Claire,

Here are some Irish music sites. At three of them, you can download music free. Last time I put this info up on this board, Admin removed my post with 24 hours. I don't think any of this traditional Celtic stuff is copyrighted, but the rapid disappearance of my last post on this subject makes me wonder?

Anyway, try these:

- www.celticmusic.com/cgi-bin/~celticmusic/tunes.pl

- darsie.ucdavis.edu/music/tuneweb/

- members.aol.com/boynehunt/alpha.html

- celtic.stanford.edu/ceolas.html

DJ

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And I like it.

Maybe I'll join in on the classical pieces later when I can play better. For now I'm

still grappling with Hohmann's method book, and Wohlfahrt studies.

BUT at least I know a few

great Irish and Newfoundland tunes that are easy to play and easy to dance to: old-fashioned

waltzes like Boulavogue, Now I'm 64 (also known as "Sweet 16"), Sweet Forget-Me-Not, and The Stone

Outside Dan Murphy's Door. You all can learn them by ear. I can also teach you some jigs and

reels that way if you like, but I'll have to play them on the concertina until my fiddle technique

improves!

Take care, everyone...

David

Ottawa, Canada

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May I enter this reknowned group? My skills are lower than the average ___grader, but I have a couple of instruments(10), and can sit by the door. I'm only sort of old. I can bow fairly well, but need help reading the notes, and hitting them properly. I have a violin with a horn, and I can remove that, so as not to mess any one up with the noise. When you're in the Detroit/Ann Arbor area, drop a line.

meparker@flash.net

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As I recall, I put you as principal first violinist

in the first post, so looks like you and Wendy fill

up the first stand. Don't feel ashamed about your

fiddle. My first fiddle, which I played up until

just a few weeks ago, is a German student model,

an Anton Becker my mother bought for me in 1967

for $89 (and this included a case and bow!). That

violin has a nice tone, and gave me much pleasure.

I've slightly upgraded to a "name brand" German

model (a Hermann Beyer). So love and enjoy your

instrument!

I know what you mean by the difficult passages

in the Vivaldi. Even though my teacher allowed me

to "progress" beyond the Vivaldi, there are specific

passages in both the first and third movement (I

bet you know what they are!) that I hit right only

about half the time. What I like about my instructor

is once she is convinced I can play the passage,

even if not that consistently, I move on to more

difficult work. Then I periodically go back to

earlier pieces, and by golly, they get easier every

time!

Tina

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I agree, these are great resources. Another fantastic

resource is the use of ABC music. This was developed

by Chris Walshaw. Essentially, most Irish tunes

consist of very simple melodies. ABC format

writes out the notes in a text format. These text

files can be sent via email, etc. Chris maintains

an index of all ABC tunes on the net, literally

thousands! From the ABC home page, you can down

load freeware that lets you process the text and

create sheet music and a MIDI file. These are

absolutely fantastic. Just remember, the real

key to playing good Irish music is adding all the

ornaments, the soul, the feeling, and of course,

the tempo. I highly recommend getting some CDs of

well known Irish fiddlers and LISTEN to them. The

best way to learn this music is by ear!

ABC homepage:

http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc/index.html

Email me if you have any questions on ABC format,

or want a list of suggested tunes or CDs.

Tina

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come on janie,count me in.

being a violist,of course i'll be out of tune and

the timing will be all wrong,but hey-thats fiddle

for you.

what about Green leaf fancy?

Fields of November?

etc...

duple

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: Claire,

: Here are some Irish music sites. At three of them, you can download music free. Last time I put this info up on this board, Admin removed my post with 24 hours. I don't think any of this traditional Celtic stuff is copyrighted, but the rapid disappearance of my last post on this subject makes me wonder?

: Anyway, try these:

: - www.celticmusic.com/cgi-bin/~celticmusic/tunes.pl

: - darsie.ucdavis.edu/music/tuneweb/

: - members.aol.com/boynehunt/alpha.html

: - celtic.stanford.edu/ceolas.html

: DJ

Thanks for the sites to check out, DJ and Tina.

Claire

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I must have been working too hard these past few weeks. I finally get a chance to check out my usual haunts and >poof< all of a sudden we have a maestronet orchestra-in-residence and I missed it :{ I'll bring my locally famous home-made cookies if I can squeeze in (no-one said bribery was forbidden!).

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Yes, ten violins, and really I may have another one or two. I can't resist them at garage sales. I lent one to my neice, and I gave another to my sister-in-law. Some are absolute junk, I wan't to learn to fix them too, but I think that most are fairly good, with maybe a sleeper in there too. I could be equally wrong, though. I do not think it advisable to get too far in the door yet. Maybe in a couple of years.

Thanks anyway.

Mike

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Welcome to the club, t.c. (any one with the same

initials as mine can't be all bad:). We've had

a great time getting to know each other as adults who

are either beginning our quest to learn the violin

as adults, or are returning to it latter in life.

It is the common bond of the love for the

instrument and music that joins us.

Tina

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