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But, can you get PayPal financing at Christie's? I don't think so, and you most certainly won't get 10% off your first purchase (maximum of $20 off) if you sign up for and make a purchase with PayPal Buyer Credit between 4/4/05 and 5/31/05. Subject to credit approval. US residents only.

So you see, there are definite benefits for choosing Guarneri over Stradivari.

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Ok,

1.Why are there no new color photos to compare with the ones on the certificate?

2. Why would anyone sell a violin of this stature (IF authentic) on ebay? Why not at Christie's or Sotheby's? C'mon-

In other words, I'm in great doubts as to the the real maker of this instrument. IF it's a real, not scam auction, that is.

Hopefully I'm getting a LITTLE smarter from hanging out with y'all!

Norma

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I'm assuming that he is using Ebay simply for exposure. The "winner" has to pick it up in NYC, probably from Morel. I would assume he's not expecting to sell it on ebay, but to make contact with a potential buyer. Or just to get people (like us) talking about it.

The web pages he's put together about his father are pretty extensive and compelling.

If you have the fiddle with several certificates over the past sixty years... why would you need the color photos. If it's really in the hands of Morel...

I guess my point is, I think the lack of photographs actually fits with the story told.

I can't imagine anyone would be stupid enough to make up a scam that includes a reputable dealer who is only a phone call away.

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If were in the market for something like this, I would consider it worth my time to at least take a look. Meaning I think it is quite possibly the real deal. Well, I would at the very least venture to suggest the Bergonzi for sale at Morel & Gradoux-Matt looks to be the genuine article, as does the Ruggeri. I don't have enough knowledge about the other violins in the gallery though.

But yes, my opinion is that it is a genuine instrument and that the buyer is simply using eBay as tactic to get interested people through the door at Morel & Gradoux-Matt. All that said, I have to wonder about the price. It seems way too high even if it is the real thing. And I can't say I am a great fan of the sound either. It's OK, but nothing that really excites me.

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Now that's a marketing job. I am sure that they do not expect to sell it to the high bidder on ebay. However, it is the cheapest way in the world to advertise it to sevaral thousand people interested enough to open the listing page. And, they do even better by putting in a link to a corporate quality web site devoted to marketing the instrument. Surprisingly, there are no current photos, and the ones shown are scans of photos.

I didn't know Granny was that level of dealer. Maybe she just knows that $999,000 is a safe bid, ie below the reserve. I wonder if the next increment is safe too.....?

Jesse

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I doubt anyone is going to buy it on the assumptions presented. But I bet you Morel get's a few people walking in wanting to see the fiddle they read about on eBay. Probably much to their annoyance.

As to the new attribution that it shows the hand of a youthful del Gesu... perhaps ISOC is now working at Morel's...:)

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Michael, I do not think you would be surprised to find people who own or play million dollar violins cruising eBay from time to time. I have sold violins on eBay to a well known dealer, columnist, and contributor to "The Strad" who travels around with a famous virtuoso violinist.

I have also shipped violins bought on eBay to some famous shops who have dealt in master violins on a regular basis. Don't you ever cruise the ebay listings yourself?

I have met professional Boston violinists through eBay who play known instruments-maybe not million dollar instruments but certainly half that.

I do think Ebay is a very reasonably priced showcase for violins as well as other items of great value. I was tempted at one time to photograph a friend's old Italian concert violin and list is as an anonymous violin on eBay to see how many people recognized it. I didn't, because my friend didn't want his violin to be seen on eBay by his colleagues .

EBay is something akin to porn in "respectable" violin circles. No body admits they look at it, but many do.

Jesse

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OK- you are right that it gets more exposure that way- for a REAL sale through Morel, et.al.

I'll leave the authentification up to you all- I'm not going to bid anyway!

Thanks for educating me, teachers!

P.S. - I openly admit to cruising Ebay several times a day. Except that frequency will change if I ever get another full-time job.

Norma

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Well I was always brought up to respect vintage Hills Certificates, so if were interested in this fiddle I would be aiming to pay far less than the asking price. As I say, I think it is overpriced, especially when using filius Andrea Red Book prices as a guide.

Perhaps the collaborative part in terms of Del Gesu was that he cut the F holes

btw, can someone tell me what was revised in the description? I honestly don't remember reading all this Del Gesu stuff the first time around, but then again I sort of ignored the eBay add and was more interested in the Hills and Moening certification as well as the linked site.

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The Red Book does reflect the price if you happen to acquire the fiddle at auction In which case the latest results are $119,648 for a 1714 fiddle and $460,702 for 1724 fiddle. Both in 2002. If a dealer thinks an instrument is worth in excess of a 100% markup because they are a retailer compared to a Christie's then I would be taking my business elsewhere. Although I have seen some incredible wholesale to retail markups in my time, doesn't mean I have to play ball with the retailers and pay world record prices, even if they are seemingly giving me a "discount".

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Auction prices aren't really a landmark for much relating to high level violin pricing. In many cases an auction is the sale of last resort, as the wide variation in the prices you quote implies. The choicest stuff isn't usually going to show up at one of the big auction houses unless there's some unusual circumstance, including, to pick one possible scenario, that no one thinks it's what it's being sold as. Remember, with the exception of Tarisio, auctions don't guarantee what they sell, and feel no real obligation to bidders, who'd better make sure they take steps to protect themselves. The record price for an instrument in a private sale (not even including dealers!) is something like 4X or 5X the record auction price for vaguely similar things, which definitely implies a difference in the goods being offered, not anything else.

I'd be interested to know if this listing really results in anything real. The usual consensus in the high-end fiddle business is that this type of approach has negative rather than positive results, for a number of reasons, and I wouldn't be surprised if the dealer handling the instrument didn't agree at all with the strategy.

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