raspritz Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Gee, anybody with a million Euros to spare should seriously consider bidding on this ebay offering! Million Euro cello
seattleslew Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 I'll leave it to the more knowledgable posters to give their opinions about authenticity and value. I do recall that the seller, cellodoc,has a blemished reputation herein. For example, if you do a search of for "alf" you will come across a thread which details cellodoc selling an alf violin whilst have contemporaneous notice from Mr. Alf that it was a fake. No one could wave off the buyer of the apparently fake Alf because cellodoc's auctions are private, with the buyer identities hidden. To my eye it seems that cellodoc's wares look very similar. They are in virtually unblemished condition despite their ostensible age, and they all seem to have the same hue, as if they have all been given a final coating from the same pot.
henrypeacham Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 One of the more entertaining listings of cellodoc was his auction for an 'Ornati' violin with a 1970 'Hamma certificate'. The B&W pictures which were stamped to the forged Hamma cert and the new digi color photo at the eBay listing each contained a close up side view of the scroll. The pegs were in EXACTLY the same position. One was supposed to believe that 35 years separated the photos.
GlennYorkPA Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Well spotted Henry. You are not the first to question the authenticity of this sellers certificates. I have never attempted to verify such a certificate but it would seem logical to me that Hamma would assign a reference number to each certificate issued so that one could check with them that the cert matched their records. If there is no mechanism to do this, all certificates are worthless.
bean_fidhleir Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Well, he does at least claim that he'll take back the instrument and refund the price if the instrument is not as described. (Ich akzeptiert [sic] die Rückgabe bei voller Erstattung des Geldbetrags, wenn der Kauf gegenstand nicht wie beschrieben ist.)
Steve R. Posted March 18, 2005 Report Posted March 18, 2005 Why would you put a 4-fine tuner tail piece on a $1.3 million Cello?
raspritz Posted March 18, 2005 Author Report Posted March 18, 2005 As a follow-up, the record price for a publically sold J.B. Guadagnini cello is £341,250, sold by Christies on Nov. 3, 2004 (see attached). Cellodoc is asking almost exactly twice that record price for his "Guadagnini" of unknown provenance. [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/entertainment/arts/3979541.stm'>http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/ente...rts/3979541.stm /url]
GlennYorkPA Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 Your knowledge of German is clearly better than average but I've been trying to place your screen name. Is it Gaelic? Just curious.
fiddlecollector Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 Yes he`ll offer a refund but getting your refund after hes left the country with his million euros and you can`t trace him is a different matter, the guys a crook ,its as simple as that.
GlennYorkPA Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 You sound a little sceptical Bob! But I don't believe he can seriously think that anyone will PayPal him a million Euros just like that. Neither the seller nor a potential buyer could be that naive. He must have some other agenda we haven't yet figured out. Flushing out wealthy collectors for off-line purchases?
fiddlecollector Posted March 20, 2005 Report Posted March 20, 2005 Stealing to order is probably more like it.
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