Ollie Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 pk can afford to make mistakes, he makes a bundle on the violins he snipes off of ebay. make no mistake. apparently he's made a few people mad. i noticed the other day a new ebay user id: "pknorr_sux" ha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Tyler, while pknorr is the ebay user we all "love to hate", we have to remind ourselves that, (if you want to get philosophical about it), there are no "enemies", only "teachers". you can sit and learn a lot from watching him fling his money at fiddles, some good, some bad, some indifferent. but the beauty is, you don't have to waste your money, and you can learn in the process. makes for some rolicking good entertainment. and if you decide to bid on something you know he's going to snipe, bid high. if you think you can't afford it, underbid him and make him pay. hint: his bids always end in either 26 or 51 if you want to out bid him you have to exceed those numbers and bid before he does, (usally 6-8 seconds). of course you also have to have the correct number of zeros after the number!! lately it seems he's been having a field day, as most other bidders seem to have empty pockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 sorry for being so chatty. i will shut up for now. ollie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 it seems that we are preoccupied with the plight of innocent bidders getting taken in by sleezy/dishonest sellers. Here's something that will make you choke on a chicken bone: these guys should be nominated for ebay sainthood. check their auctions. in a perfect world, their stuff would go to some poor deserving student or player, but alas, it's ebay. Last night these upstanding and virtuous sellers (music-river) got fleeced by the devil himself. not once, but twice. first fleecing second fleecing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 perhaps they deserve a plug as good/honest/ernest/sincere/and hardworking sellers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 In what way did this seller get "fleeced by the devil himself?" Pknorr was willing to pay more than anyone else for these two violins. If he hadn't bid, the final selling prices would have been lower, and the seller would have made less money. As I see it, pknorr has benefited this seller, not fleeced him/her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 what you say is true to a point. but pk doesn't buy violins to play them and enjoy, them he buys them to resell them for profit. music-river did a bang up job of restoring this violin. the same violin would sell for that amount, with cracks unrepaired, and not set up to play. so when i say music-river got fleeced, i mean it, and i mean they deserved far more for a nice violin in excellent shape. maybe they don't feel fleeced, but my sense of justice, tells me the deserve some more equitable degree of remuneration for putting such love and care into their work. try looking at it from that point. like someone making dough $$$ off the sweat of another. it's not too diffictult a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 the ebay market doesn't seem healthy enough to support the honest efforts of these sellers who obviously take their work very seriously. you cannot tell me that 500 dollars is just remuneration for that violin in that condition. not today, not now, not anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Ollie, those are reasonable prices for those violins. Nobody got fleeced. If anything PK may have overpaid a bit to my mind. I guess it begs the question, why didn't you buy them and take the hefty profits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 jack that's baloney. and you know it. NO EBAY SELLERS RESET NECKS PUT NEW FINGERBOARDS, NEW SET UPS, AND GET THOSE PRICES. FLEECED THEY WERE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 CONSCIENTIOUS THEY ARE. EXCEPTIONAL THEY ARE. I DIDN'T REALIZE PKNORR NEEDED OUR SYMPATHY OR SUPPORT. BUT THE FELLOWS SLAVING AWAY IN ARKANSAS COULD SURE USE SOME in the form of cash flow...(I'M CHAMPIONING THEIR CAUSE). as should any other good and consicientious perveyor of quality violins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I do. Ask Pahdah_Hound. The fact is that it's very difficult to generate a lot of excitement on ebay just by selling a good fiddle, expecially if it's a German trade instrument, which both of the violins in question are. I don't care how well they are set up or restored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 so what do you have against some honest guys making a living wage? I think i am going to vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Ollie, you're posting faster than I can reply... PKnorr doesn't need sympathy, but he hasn't done anything to deserve disrespect. I think he's a pretty smart buyer. Just because he uses the ebay end of auction flaw to his advantage is no reason to dislike him. If the music-river guys are slaving away in the Ozarks, maybe they should build houses or something. Are these guys personal friends of yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Please cover the keyboard first if you're going to hurl. Ollie, I have nothing at all against anybody doing honest work on violins making a living wage. I'll even buy their stuff. I'll bet they really enjoy what they are doing. But ebay isn't a place for selling good violins, in my experience. I'm starting to think that you live on music river... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 JACK AGAIN you know that is out right bovine excrement. they (both violins) were both gone over with a fine tooth comb. and sold (the first one) for peanuts. many a cracked up, old piece of junk sells for more. THAT YOU CANNOT DENY. so while you are getting all fluffed defending the indefensible, just take three breaths, and relax, it's not worth it. I WAS JUST MAKING A POINT THAT WHILE WE ARE QUICK TO POINT OUT WHO IS DOING WRONG, COMMITING FRAUD, FLEECING ANOTHER, we should be so quick to point out the good honest efforts of some individuals who may not have gotten their 15 minutes of fame. or does that rub you wrong for reasons i'm not getting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 don't know them but it doesn't take a genius to recognize honest people with a work ethic. do you know them? do you have to know someone to offer support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 do you have to only scratch the backs of those who scratch your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 nor do i know pknorr but his reputation is suck that i know i am not missing anything. i will side with the hardworking idiots in the ozarks. who by the way got fleeced. whether you or anyone else knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 You say that your sense of justice tells you that this seller was underpaid for these violins. You could have prevented this injustice by bidding whatever you thought was a fair price. How could you stand by and do nothing while pknorr fleeced this poor seller? I am disappointed in you, and I hope that in the future you will bid all violin auctions up to their fair prices to make sure no one else gets fleeced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Gee, Ollie, you don't have to SHOUT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 How can a seller get fleeced by putting something up in a no reserve auction? The seller knows what the object is that's being sold. The buyer is buying based on photos and descriptions. Don't see how the buyer can be perpetrating fraud under these circumstances. If their fiddles are worth so much more than the ebay market at this time can bear then they should wait a while or find a better venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy_Gallo Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Also, as long as Pknorr is being flogged... I'd be curious what other folks think: is there something intrinsically wrong with doing all your ebay buying under one username and all your selling under another? I assumed, given the number of instruments he's purchased that some ended up in shops, some stayed in his collection, and some found their way back onto ebay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlecollector Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 How do you know that the seller of these violins didn`t get both for 50$ from a garage sale (unless you (ollie) are the seller).Most sellers don`t like selling at a loss and wouldn`t do it too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 1. i am not music-river 2. i do not sell on ebay 3. i will in the future take it upon myself to bid on every deserving seller's fiddles just to make sure pknorr doesn't get them dirt cheap. good idea thank you 4. i have to go now i have work to do. (bidding on the fiddles) 5. why are all you guys so sympathetic to pknorr? something i'm missing here? he's a jerk from what i've heard from reliable sources. or is it just about money? you know, not buring bridges and stuff. you scratch my back... i see TO MUSIC-RIVER if you are out there: "music-river you rock, and i will support you and sing your praises, in spite of the complacent herd of sheep". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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