Oscar Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Is this a real Coda bow? I thought they had the brand inlaid in the frog, rather than just a circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry J. Griffiths Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 In my opinion it doesn't look like a CodaBow. I'd like to see the other side of the stick (the one with the CodaBow logo). Why not e-mail the auction to the CodaBow company and get their opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Good idea. Just did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Poor quality pics, hard to tell. Coda did discontinue the use of the French eye on the frog about 2-3 years ago on the Conservatory model, so it's possible it's an older bow, but definitely not a "brand new" one. I also find it interesting that they didn't display the side of the bow with the Coda "stamp" on the shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bean_fidhleir Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 'definitely not a "brand new" one.' I'm not in any way trying to stick up for the seller, but perhaps all he meant by 'brand new' was 'unused'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elidatrading Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 It's not likely that he try out and out fraud on something so obvious, not with established feedback. Liz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Song Posted February 19, 2005 Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 It's really hard to tell, however, it does somewhat resemble a Codabow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Same user also listed Coda Conservatory viola and cello bows. Both have the same dodgy-quality pix of the non-stamped side of the frog, but there is something very strange about the inlaid eye on the viola bow. Not a plain French, but doesn't look like a Coda logo either. I emailled this seller asking to see more pix of the violin bow, including the other side of the frog, but have no response yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattleslew Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 I emailed the seller about the cello bow and asked for a better picture with the coda imprint. The seller answered that the camera was new and failed to mention or include a better picture. The seller's handle is "shady." I'll pass. I'd feel better spending the extra $200 at the local shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Judging from those terrible photos, it doesn't look "right" to my eye and I have seen many Coda bows (older and newer ones) in my shop. It looks similar to the carbon composite bows that Decor sells for much less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singingmaple Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Here is one that he sold with a photo on the stamp side. Still to dark to see anything so I swiped the pic and cleaned it up some so it is almost legible.(Photo attached) http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...item=3761249494 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Check this out. "Shaydj426" did sell a real Coda bow on eBay in November and had no trouble with the camera... Guess we found the same pic at the same time, Singing Maple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackc Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 The seller's handle is "Shay DJ", which could be contrued as "Shady J". Who knows? Unfortunate choice though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellie Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 My daughter has a 3/4 Coda Conservatory that has the tradmark on the frog. If I was selling the real thing I would make sure I had a photograph that shows it. I bought it for last year at Quinn Violins and their current price for a "New" Coda bow is 355.50 with free shipping! So for a hundred dollars more you would be able to have one of these bows! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 A Coda Conservatory bow for $300-$400 is an acceptable price. To hair a bow alone is about $50, give and take. Why from e-bay? why carbon-fiber? why compromised? /yuen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattleslew Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 Yuen, Why ebay--to save some money. The dealer price on codas seem to be price controlled. It's amazing that every dealer seems to sell at a fixed price within a dollar of each other. Clearly, the savings are ephemeral if you are being sold a fake. Why carbon bows -- the safety of buying something of known quality. Otherwise, buying a bow is a blind sale. It's like a diamond. Unless the buyer is very knowledgable, you have to rely on the seller being honest as well as able and willing to sell at a reasonable margin. I for one have no idea how to know whether a bow is pernambuco, whether the pernambuco is of good quality, etc. There seems to be a sizable opinion that codas represent qood PQR and hit a reasonable price point. I wonder what the wholesale price of the codas are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ There seems to be a sizable opinion that codas represent qood PQR and hit a reasonable price point. I wonder what the wholesale price of the coda... ++++++++++++++++++++++++ True , finding a good pernambuco bow at a reasonable price is a sheer luck this day. I cannot help thinking ( dare not ask) these bow makers must have changed their profession, doing what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattleslew Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 My problem is that I would not know a good pernambuco bow even if it were staring me in the face. Maybe that is why I am a "stranger" in a strange land here? However, I think I have a lot of company. I see lots of bows on ebay having the branding marks of venerable makers -- Hill, Laberte,etc--being sold on ebay for higher prices than their unbranded siblings solely on the basis that the buyer thinks he/she is getting the real deal. I will say, having read most of the recent threads on this discussion board--that my eyes are wide open to the rampant abuse that goes on in the ebay violin/cello sales. At this point, I would have to say that ebay can only be used to purchase $200-$700 violins from well-known European productions (Juzek, Heberlein, Duerer, Lyon& Healy) or face the probable risk that you are being ripped off. The caveat emptor for prosective bow purchasers is even greater. If you cant even trust someone selling a codabow...forget about someone selling a wood bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fellow Posted February 20, 2005 Report Share Posted February 20, 2005 In the old days, when in the time of plenty, pernambuco wood were used widely to make bows. You did not have to ask if it was made of pernembuco wood, it was a silly question. Pernambuco is just better quality Brazil wood as I was told and was shown by a luthier here, it looks densed grain wood( pernambuco). So I went back home and looked at my two bows. Rightly, they looked (at the tip) a lot of densed as the luthier said (pernambuco). Why pernambuco? I guess it is stronger and lighter (my observation only, no one told me). Your problem is not a problem as it seems. Go to some expensive violin shops ;ask them to show you some pernambuco bows and brazil wood bows, some are same and some are not (densed or not, strong or not)) You learn their difference right away. My student bow is brazil wood bow, I can tell right away (not a bad bow by any mean). Two my fancy bows are pernambuco (one from pawn shop one from William Lewis,Chicago). ps. I bought the Rao bow first (from William Lewis shop) then one day I saw a bow in a pawn shop ,I could not resist to buy another one at a basement price. As you said not everyone knows a pernambuco bow. /yuen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspritz Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 There are a few exceptions to your generalization. I bought a very good bow direct from a very good known bowmaker, who listed it on ebay to test the waters as a marketing venue. That was evident from the listing and easily checked directly with the maker. I paid less than half of what his bows normally sell for, and he hasn't been back on ebay since, for obvious reasons. I also know of one very fine old bow recently sold on ebay, but that buyer simply lucked out that the seller was rock-solid. That same buyer shortly later paid a lot of money for a fake bow (see the discussion on the 'Sartory bow' on the ICS website). Caveat emptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oscar Posted February 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2005 Got this email from the seller this morning: "I HAVE HAD AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION. IT SEEMS THAT SOMEONE HAS TAKEN MY CODA BOW AND HAVE TAKEN MY FROG WITH THE SILVER CROSS THROUGH IT AND PUT ON WITH A CIRCLE WITH THE EYE. MY FRIEND HAS HER OWN DEALERSHIP AND SELLS VIOLINS TO THE SURROUNDING SCHOOLS AND IS NOW DOING AN INVESTIGATION ON THIS MATTER. SORRY FOR THE MISREPRESENTATION . I AM NOT SELLING THIS BOW AND IF ANYONE BIDS ON IT THEY ARE BEING INFORMED OF THIS PROBLEM. AS SOON AS I GET ANOTHER CODA BOW I WILL LIST IT AT THE SAME LOW PRICE. IT SHOULD BE WITHIN A FEW WEEKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING FOR THIS HAS REALLY BEEN A BAD DEAL FOR ME.SHELLY" But on the listing, she's added this: "On Feb-22-05 at 11:34:31 PST, seller added the following information: THE BOW YOU ARE BIDDING ON IS A CARBON GRAPHITE CODA BOW CONSERVATORY.<P> THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CONCERNS THAT BECAUSE OF THE PARISIAN EYE WHICH APPEARS ON THE FROG MIGHT INDICATE THAT IT IS NOT A TRADEMARK USED BY CODA. YOU MAY BE THINKING OF THE CROSS WHICH APPEARS ON THE FROG.<P> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO VARIFY THIS PARISIAN EYE WITH CODA, PLEASE DO SO BY CALLING 1 888 CODA BOW, THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PARISIAN EYE IS ON SOME OF THEIR BOWS.<P> THIS IS A GREAT VALUE FOR SUCH A BOW AS THIS ONE.<P> THANK YOU" The cello bow has been taken off eBay, but the violin and viola bows are still there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetmusic Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 that's not a coda bow. and what a crappy photo too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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