bosco Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Konnichiwa, It's febtuary auction for lesser priced fiddles, many people here might not have interested in. Still, there are some interesting ones: A GERMAN VIOLIN, VAN GOGH SCHOOL! Yep, THAT Van GOGH!! http://www.tarisio.com/auction/auction_l...p;c_filter_on=1 AN ATTRACTIVE TOPLESS GERMAN VIOLIN http://www.tarisio.com/auction/auction_l...p;c_filter_on=1 They list up not only the back length but 3 sizes, too! Bosco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMORI Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I had a look at the Feb list. Problem is, one has no idea what you are bidding on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I like the decription "Naive American Violin" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry J. Griffiths Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 The 'naive' violin is the type of fiddle that shows up on eBay with a tea stained label, some fuzzy photos, and a long story about how it was out of grandpa's estate. Grandpa and the violin were, of course, both from Genoa c.1890. Sold as-is, no returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Dorsey Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Are you sure they don't mean "Native American violin?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priya Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I think I'm missing something again, as usual.. Why naive American, why not naive Italian? Does the violin have a tea stained label and an Italian family history? I agree that the scroll doesn't fit the style, but the violin does have an interesting look and to my naive eyes possibly Italian. Please tell me I'm wrong! I beseach thee dude! The Priya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivio Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I was thinking of ask about opinions on that topless german violin and composite violins in general, should i begin a new post? AMORI, what did you meant with no idea what we´re bidding about? Isn´t there a little more credibility on the little information you have about the violin than you´d get from ebay for instance, since it comes from the hand of a specialized auction house? Since in this later case even the starting price is a clue of what they thought of the violin, i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Although I have not sold anything via Tarisio, my understanding is that the seller and Tarisio agree on a minimum value or selling price (reserve). What I would like to know is if they use tonal quality as a major factor in that analysis. Or strictly, provenance, workmanship, and then condition. Regis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Darnton Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Though the overall level of quality of a maker's body of works is a component in the general value of his instruments (Stradivari violin are expensive BECAUSE they are good sounding violins as a group better than almost anything else, taken as a group), the tonal quality of an individual piece doesn't affect it's value. That's because the violin you hate, someone else might love--who gets to set the value in that instance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire Curtis Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Quote: What I would like to know is if they use tonal quality as a major factor in that analysis. Or strictly, provenance, workmanship, and then condition. A lot of the instruments are damaged or at the minimum not set up. I don't imagine tonal quality is assessed under those conditions. One of the advantages of actually handling the instrument at a preview is the 'feel' one gets while handling the wood -- some folks are pretty good at predicting which instruments will sound good. I suspect this is a subliiminal or intuitive assessment of how the workmanship and design of this instrument probably interacts with its weight and plate flexibility to produce tone. I guess that's a fancy way of saying some folks have the experience that lets them have the ability to pick out good instruments. --Claire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pahdah_hound Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 I find estiamtes and starting prices at both Tarisio and Skinner to be great learning tools. I found a violin at Tarisio that is identical to a violin I am selling on eBay. Tarisio gives it a country of origin and a date, and I learned a lot. I don't worry too much about being surprised from Tarisio. The major defects are noted, and reasonable values are estimated. There is so much more information available to the bidder than at an ebay auction and there is virtualy no worry of fraud. I feel very comfortable bidding on a Tarisio or Skinner auction knowing that real junk is seldom offered(depends on your definition of junk)and major defects are generally disclosed. I have bought some wonderful violins from both houses that have slipped through the cracks as well as some that were nothing special. Very few surprises though. jesse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Thanks Claire & Michael, There is one description that says "60 piece top" (#79). This is a term that I have never hear before.....3 I can understand but, 60? or is this simply a mis-type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennYorkPA Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Ulbrich_Tatter violins have tops made of many pieces bonded together. It was a way of supposedly imparting strength and uniformity to the table. I think they took out a patent on the principle but it never caught on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 "....my understanding is that the seller and Tarisio agree on a minimum value or selling price (reserve)" My experience is that Tarisio tells me what the reserve should be, and I either take it or don't list. Unlike Ebay, which can make money on the listing, Tariso only makes money on the sale. Given the high percentage of solds in each Tarisio auction, I think they are doing a pretty good job. Also unlike Ebay, all the violins are depicted in the same high-quality format and, for those who can make it to New York, are available for trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffrey Holmes Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Quote: Are you sure they don't mean "Native American violin?" I think they said, and mean, 'naive".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Gouthro Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 http://www.tarisio.com/auction/auction_l...p;c_filter_on=1 I think the description on this one is great..."sound post smash" I'm still laughing from that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyAmati Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 and the piece of scotch tape is so hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor_Zak Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I'm thinking that the scotch tape is there simply to keep all the pieces together until someone makes the purchase and is ready to start the fix (?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve R. Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I was browsing around at the bows and wondered how much work would most likely need to be done to the average high end bows in the Tarisio auction. And how do you tell from the descriptions and photos how much any given bow would need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omobono Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Quote: http://www.tarisio.com/auction/auction_l...p;c_filter_on=1 I think the description on this one is great..."sound post smash" I'm still laughing from that one. What's even funnier............. is that it's actually a "VIOLA", unless the 42.2 cm LOB measurement and overall model is also a joke! Omo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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