vi01in Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Okay, I'm now obsessed with this piece. I am, of course, dying to play it. I want to know if it would be even reasonable to ask my teacher if I can play it. I'm working on Wieniawski d minor, Lalo SE, Bach d minor partita. And Fiorillo and Kreutzer etudes. Where is Tzigane in relation to, say, Tchaik? And if it's too hard, what's an idea of a piece in the same stylistic idea that I could manage? Thanks! Lavender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunMusicStrings Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 I think Tzigane is about on the same level as the Tchaik. I would expect you'd be playing the next level up with respect to etudes: Paganini and Gavines. I'm not your teacher, of course, but I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at it, though. You can certainly play parts of it, isolate and work on the harder, virtuosic bits, using them like etudes, and listen to a lot of recordings. Have you played Devil's Trill? I think that comes before Tzigane but if you're playing Lalo you should be okay. If the piece turns you on, you should just enjoy it. I don't think I'd ever say to a student, no, you can't work on that, if they were excited about a work. Other pieces you might also look at: Bartok Rumanian Dances, Beethoven Romances, Chausson's Poème, Kreisler's Praeludium and Allegro. EM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vi01in Posted December 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Thanks! Actually, I'm kinda looking for a sort of 'step up' piece from where I am now, one that I really like that would really pull me up technically by working on it, as you said, like an etude. I considered Tchaik, then Tzigane, but I kind of like the flavoring of the Tzigane better. It seems like a real 'let it rip' piece, if you see my meaning, where as Lalo has to be so tempered. I like Bruch because of the intensity, and I wanted another one like that. BTW, I saw where you're from- do you know Annie Chalex? Okay, well thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violinerrrz Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Ravel himself wondered if it was too difficult to be played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violinflu Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 Assuming you play those pieces you're working on well, I think Tzigane would be an appropriate stretch. Its difficulty will depend on how good your harmonics, left-hand pizzicato, octaves, and gypsy-inspired ideas are! In some ways, I think that Zigeunerweisen is harder - in a way it requires more technical purity, like Saint-Saens Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso. Lots of people (myself included) played Zigeunerweisen first, and depending on the strong points of your technique, it could be easier... It's certainly in the same stylistic genre as Tzigane. Quite a bit easier, but in the same genre, would be Monti Csardas. If you need something gypsyish in a hurry, the Csardas would be fun if you haven't played it before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vi01in Posted December 30, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 I'm wondering about the left hand pizz- I'm really horrible at it. Would that make the piece way beyond reach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy jane Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 My daughter is working on Tzigane right now and has blisters on her fingertips. The left-hand pizz is challenging, even for someone who's had a good bit of experience with it. In addition to the other good suggestions (yeah, Kreisler's Praeludium & Allegro!), you might look at de Beriot's Scene de Ballet. It is a great technical workout & sounds nice, too. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violinflu Posted December 30, 2003 Report Share Posted December 30, 2003 If you're horrible at left-hand pizz, all the more reason to learn the piece now. For me, Tzigane single-handedly made left-hand pizz one of my strongest "extended techniques". It's amazing how many orchestral passages are easier for those with a strong left-hand pizz. And audiences love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Sutter Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 umm, i think left hand pizz will be the least of your worries with tzigane. That piece is quite difficult, it requires a level of of mastery beyond that of the pieces mentioned i think. I personally would wait a while before tackling that piece, i think you wouldnt even want to have to worry about technique, the musicality will be difficult enough. FOr left hand pizz workouts try paganini 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Sutter Posted December 31, 2003 Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 if you do go ahead with this piece, i'd recommend studying the kogan recording more than any other. If you dont have this recording email me oatengruber@hotmail.com and i'll email you an mp3 of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vi01in Posted December 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2003 I actually think that the technique would be my real problem- my interpretations are rather good for my age; far outshooting my technique, in any case. I'll ask my teacher, but I'm still wondering if this would be a better choice than Tchaikovsky. Thanks for the offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Sutter Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 do you want that mp3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsMazas Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Yeah...everyone's basically said what I was going to say, but I'll just mention some stuff anyway. As my mom already mentioned, I have recieved some burly blisters from this piece on both hands. It's not a terrible burden to me, but I also just got done with the Tchaik (as well as years of practice with Gav/Dont etudes). Anyway, just telling by your level (I don't want to sound condesending or anything, I mean, I haven't even heard you play) I'd advise against it. If you like it that much then you can wait. It'll be better that way! I would replace the idea with either Caprice Basque by Sarasate or a Weinowski Pollonaise. Happy playing! --Mazas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGirl Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hey, MsMazas, I'm glad you're still on the board. How's the college search going? Have you chosen a school yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsMazas Posted January 4, 2004 Report Share Posted January 4, 2004 Well, I've figured out which schools I'm auditioning for, but we'll see if I get into any of them. Goodness, it's got to be the most frightening thing...EVER! --Mazas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGirl Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Good luck... although I don't think you'll need it! I predict you will have your pick of teachers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Good Luck - when do auditions start? Who do you want to study with? Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiljí Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 I have a question. Should I play Ravel Tzigane, when I already played whole Sibelius concerto, Bloch Nigun, Mendelssohn, sarasate introduction and tarrantelle (at 12 y.o.) and Hubay Carmen? I will play it anyway, because my teacher wants it, but I'm just wondering, if I have that technical level :// Jilji, 15 y.o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted May 13, 2021 Report Share Posted May 13, 2021 The best person to discuss this with - really is your teacher. You can provide us with a list of music that you play but we can't tell how well you play them, or what technical issues you may have, etc., so we can't offer good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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