vi01in Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think is the most over-played violin (or any others?) concerto? Mendelssohn, do you think? And, I'm sorry, this might not be typical for most areas, but after hearing the Hayden cello concerto three times in one night (it was a competition between three cellists playing the same piece, a pianist playing Hayden concerto...) If I have to hear that piece again... hehe. Any thoughts on overplayed concertos? , Heather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One_Tree_Hill Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Top three: 1. by far the Mendelssohn 2. Bruch 3. Tchaikovksky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy jane Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 If, by "overplayed," you mean performed by those who shouldn't, the Mendelssohn would definitely get my vote. It was the concerto of choice at solo & ensemble competition this year. Funny you should mention the Haydn cello concerto--just saw it performed yesterday! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staylor Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Paganinis First concerto is very highly overplayed compared to his other violin concertos, even compared to number 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Here's another vote for Mendelssohn. Mozart concertos as well- maybe not exactly overplayed, but butchered too often by people who should just wait a few years. (That would include me ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmysmith Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I think Congress should make themselves useful and have the Mendelssohn concerto retired for at least 10 years. BTW, If PRO is the opposite of CON what's the opposite of Progress?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierGirl Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I'll have to vote for Sibelius. I love the piece, but in the program book for this last Indianapolis competition I noticed that about 65% of the participants had chosen Sibelius for the romantic finals. It seems to be the the trendy choice these days for high-level competitions. I actually haven't heard Mendelssohn or Bruch played much with professional orchestras around here... maybe once every three seasons or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deStaunton Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I'd agree with the consensus if most over -butchered replaces most over-played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Here in GB, I would say 1. Bruch 2. Mendelssohn 3. all the baroque-y stuff, Vivaldi 4 seasons, Bach a and E. I don't know where OTH hears lots of Tchaik......probably more with older students. Also, Mozart's get played TOO MUCH by players with insufficient skill.........YUK! On Cello.........hmmm.......Haydn, Haydn, oh and Haydn!! To add some extra interest how about some suggestions of lesser played works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosin Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 1. by far the Mendelssohn (totally agree!) 2. Tchaikovksky 3. Bruch A slight reordering from a previous post. I still like hearing the Bruch, but if the other two come on the radio, I switch stations, I have heard them to death. It would be nice to hear the Bruch Third once in a while, the little I have heard from it seems to indicate that it is better piece the the second concerto, which gets recorded now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 On a soloist level, though I love the piece, the Tchaikovsky is played more than most things. I have heard it played three or four times in the last year and a half, and within the next year I have already booked to see it twice again. However, it is very good for comparing players. I think Bruch is most overplayed at a student level, and in my opinion, far too many cellists play the Elgar. Why is it that cellists limit themselves so much??? They have concerti by Lalo, Barber, Shostakovich and all they play is Haydn, Dvorak and Elgar. The concerti I think are underplayed (on a professional level) are the Lalo, Sibelius (I still haven't seen it, but really stupidly missed Kavakos play it a couple of months ago), and the Shostakovich concerti. In recitals, not enough encore-type pieces are included anymore. The only person I know who does this is Kavakos, maybe Rosand, though I don't know much about him. Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainyann Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 For student solos this yeat the cellists seemed to like Lalo, it was overplayed as well as Shubert's Arpeggione for the viola. As far as violin there was a wider variety, we had a lot of solo Bach, Mozart Concerti, Conus (spelling?), Lalo, Haydn, you name it, it was played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thom Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Definitely Mendelsohn. I have gotten to the point where I change the station if it is on (and it frequently is). I also think it is overrated, but then I have very little patience for the romantic concertos anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vi01in Posted June 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Saw Rosand a few months ago... LONG encore. He's a great player! In this local-ish competition, my dad was accompanying, and he said he accompanied 5 tchaiks. I'd like to hear more of the Scotish Fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 I would too. Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staylor Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Nevertheless, I'd still say the Mendleson is a work of genious. But it take the wind out of it to hear it so many times. It's true that everyone captures a small part of its beauty, but if someone captured ALL its beauty, then maybe that would be different. Anyway, my first complete concerto which I have learned has been the Beethoven. Maybe that was a better choice! (was it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hank Schutz Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 The Mendelssohn does have this advantage: it is played so often, and has been played by so many (even non-professional) violinists that it provides a good benchmark for comparing players. In other words, since throughout its duration you always know what's coming next, you can be more aware of small variations in style and technique than when listening to a piece which you know less intimately. I still enjoy hearing it and listen carefully whenever I have the opportunity. IMHO HS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liana Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 haha wow, what a great thread... i have so many that i could list! wow. okay, most overplayed: 1) Mendelssohn (although i do still enjoy it, just not when played badly...) 2) Bruch 1 3) Saint-Saens 3 4) Wieniawski 2 (spelling??) most over-butchered (this could go on FOREVER but i'll try to choose my "favorites" here...) 1) Mozart anything 2) Haydn anything 3) Tchaikovsky (it was played on several recitals at my school this year in rather awful ways) 4) Lalo 5) Mendelssohn (not only played way too often, but usually badly!) 6) Vitali Chaconne (not a concerto but still brutal) 7) Bach anything (particularly solo Bach... *cringe*) i could go on but i think perhaps i should end my near-rant here... hehe. this is what long years spent at summer music festivals, listening to people practice and perform in masterclass (aka massacre) various pieces does to you i guess... -liana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted June 4, 2003 Report Share Posted June 4, 2003 Yes, solo Bach gets butchered A LOT! Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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