crazy jane Posted May 13, 2003 Report Posted May 13, 2003 (or "Scheisskopfsky," as it's known to some!) These are some recordings we own. Do you have a fave? Tchaikovsky Violin ConcertoHeifetz/Reiner/Chicago Heifetz/Suskind/Philharmonia Kogan/Silvestri/(some french orchestra) Milstein/Stock/Chicago Milstein/Steinberg/Pitt. Oistrakh/Ormandy/Philadelphia Others you love?
SteveLaBonne Posted May 13, 2003 Report Posted May 13, 2003 It's available on a 5-disc EMI collection of Oistrakh's Soviet recordings (whose availabiliy at least at Amazon seems to be an on-agan off-again thing; I just checked and it's "off" right now.) The Tchaik. is a live performance from 1968 in celebration of Oistrakh's 60th birthday. It's not quite as perfect technically as his earlier recordings but musically it has indescribable depth and richness, even a step beyind the wonderful recording with Ormandy.
Violinerrrz Posted May 13, 2003 Report Posted May 13, 2003 My fave is on the Oistrakh vhs video "legendary treasures"
iupviolin Posted May 13, 2003 Report Posted May 13, 2003 The Milstein/Steinberg is fantastic! This recording made me fall in love with his playing.
Stephen Fine Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Heifetz/Reiner/Chicago is one of my desert island recordings
Stephen Fine Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 I've always regarded Toscha's taste as excellent. Here are the recommended recordings of Heifetz: 1. Heifetz/Barbirolli (1934) 2. Huberman/Steinberg (1928-9?) 3. Gitlis/Holleiser (1950s) 4. Elman/Barbirolli (1928) 5. Prihoda/Austin (1949)
Carlo_jsb Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Though I agree Oistrakh is best, you're leaving out many good younger generation recordings. Repin's latest recording of the work (a live recording) and Kyung wha-Chung's are amoung my favourite. Not to mention Itzhak Perlman's recording of this with the Philadelphia Orchestra/Ormandy. Gil Shaham has also made a nice recording of the Tchaikovsky. Carlo.
BillW Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 In the third movement, Milstein does something with the bowing and rhythm I've never heard in any other recording. It's 20 measures after letter C and again 28 measures after letter G in the Oistrakh edition published by International. There is a kind of lyrical melody played on the G string, marked poco meno mosso, and then the music returns to Tempo I. When Milstein reaches Tempo I there is a vigorous earthiness to his bowstrokes (all downbow, I think, and, on the repeat, in octaves) that makes me feel and almost visualize the Cossacks dancing the dance (I don't know what it's called) where they squat with their arms folded and kick their legs out one after the other. I wonder if anyone else hears this in the Milstein recording?
Violinerrrz Posted May 14, 2003 Report Posted May 14, 2003 Loved Perlman's recording as well as Shaham and Chung (her second recording of it). There is also a great video of Perlman playing Tchaik with Solti on vhs and dvd, really colorful! Havent heard Repin yet. No one mentioned Rabin?
Jane Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 I've heard Repin play it twice live, and I have a live recording with the BBCSO. At the Proms a couple of years ago he broke a string and the whole thing ground to a halt while he changed it. He threw the broken string to the Prommers!!! I recently bought Ilya Gringolts recording. He is a fine musician too. Jane
technique_doc Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 I have played it live with a good few. The RCA red seal (Heifetz/Chicago/Reiner) is the one I grew up with, but I'm not so keen on the second mvmt. I have some really bad recordings (I won't mention whom - it wouldn't be fair!) but would love to hear some of the new guys.
technique_doc Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 Anyone heard Jonathan Carney? "In the autumn of 2002, Jonathan Carney began his appointment as concertmaster of the Baltimore Symphony Orchestra. He plays a fine 1687 Stradivarius the ex-mercury. " Excellent player - if he plays solo, go hear!!!!
SteveLaBonne Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 Good lord, he must be the younger brother of Laurie (American String Qt.), no? I remember him as a little boy (as I've mentioned, their father was my high school orchestra teacher.). God, I feel old. What a family- all six (parents and 4 kids) Juilliard graduates!
y24c Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 My fave recording? Heifetz/Reiner/Chicago. The king Heifetz,what else.
technique_doc Posted May 15, 2003 Report Posted May 15, 2003 That sounds like the guy! (for sure). I've done some con's in the past with him, but sadly you guys have got him now T_D
Toscha Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Try the Heifetz/Barbirolli. The second movement is quite different from the Reiner recording (much more meltingly Romantic!). Lymond already mentioned my favorites, but there are a few more that are definitely worth mentioning (and I do like most of them too). Ferras/Silvestri is a gutsy, gypsy-like playing that I immensely admire, if not quite in the same league (for me) as my original picks. Long-deleted Michele Auclair is similar in style, although her last movement has more charm than Ferras (she had a particualry alluring way of playing the 2nd theme of the last movement). Campoli/Argenta is warm, lyrical and individual. He makes some rather bizzare changes in the outer movements. Grumiaux made three recordings and they are quite different from each other. The first recording with Lescovich/Vienna Symphony (1956) is quite dashing and much more outgoing than most people would expect. On the other hand, the third recording with Krentz (1975) is one of the most introverted recording of this concerto I have ever heard. The second recording with Haitink (1960) is somewhere in between. And there are some "odd ball" recordings in one way or the other. I cannot say that I am completely convinced by the way they play, but they are interesting to listen to. Spivakovsky is a prime example. He sometimes drastically changes articulations, breaks up slurs and slips in some incredibly seductive slides that has more than a hint of cafe fiddling. Kremer/Maazel is also interesting in their own way. Schneiderhan, Kulenkampff, Morini and Taschner (although there is a slight doubt of authenticity for the Taschner recording) approach the work from Austro-German point of view, somewhat similar to Huberman, but less strongly personalized (only in relative to Huberman, though. They are pretty recognizable performances). I am also attracted to all three (plus a video) performance of Szeryng. Menuhin/Fricsay (1949) has moments of characteristic charisma and beauty, but Menuhin's bow arm did not seem as coorporative as in his live recording of the Beethoven concerto with Furtwangler from the same period. Among the younger generations, I still like Leila Josefowicz's debut recording (coupled with her rather commonplace Sibelius concerto). She really played a daylights out of the concerto in that recording. T.
Alistair Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 I'm glad you mentioned the Kogan in your poll, I think it is quite an amazing rendition and a really unique approach to the piece. Somehow I am not able to vote in the poll, though, heh. For the Tchaikovsky I like Kogan and Heifetz equally well, and I like them both better than anyone else I have heard. I can't really choose between Heifetz and Kogan, because their approach to the music is totally different. Oistrakh is a close second for me, and everyone else is not in the same class. Not sure which Heifetz recording is my fave, but the Chicago/Reiner one is great. --Alistair
Carlo_jsb Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 I love the Kogan recording as well, but my favourite changes quite a lot. I own recordings which I know will never be my favourite (Vengerov for example) and I always thought Milstein was a bit restrained in this concerto. I love the Heifetz/Reiner recording too. I will hear Leonidos Kavakos play this in a couple of weeks, so it should be interesting to see how he compares to all these people. I heard Joshua Bell play this a couple of weeks ago, and was impressed with the slower parts of the first movement and the second movement, but the bravura passages were very unexciting and unimpressive, and he had some quite suspicious intonation at points. It must have been an 'off' night! Later on in the year, I will see Vadim Repin play it. I have seen him play it once before, and was very, very impressed. My parents saw Oistrakh play it in the Royal Albert Hall back in the early 70s... how I envy them! Carlo.
technique_doc Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Good heavens! This HAS to be copied and put on my studio wall - in BIG! What a great reply - someone offering some serious education. Bow, bow and bow again... Not worthy T_D
y24c Posted May 17, 2003 Report Posted May 17, 2003 Carlo his name is Leonidas not Leonidos Kavakos and he is Great violinist, one of the best of our time(In 1985 he won the Sibelius competition and in 1988 he won the Paganini competition in Genoa). I have his original recording of the Sibelius concerto and he perform like super-human!! i also heard him playing live in Athens the 1st concerto and 6 capricci of Paganini and he was AMAZING. Don't miss him
SteveLaBonne Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 I heard Kavakos play the Tchaik. live, in Jackson, Miss. of all places, in 1988 or thereabouts. He was a master even then. I'm sure his recording is very fine.
One_Tree_Hill Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 Kogan's is the best! Both of Heifetz's recordings are also great, but I like Kogan better.
Carlo_jsb Posted May 18, 2003 Report Posted May 18, 2003 Since I don't have time to correct all the errors (grammar etc) in your post, I will simple say I am sorry that I have not fully grasped the art of memorising and spelling Greek names! I have the Sibelius recording, and was very impressed. Yesterday I bought two more recordings of the Tchaikovsky (Erick Friedman's and a 99p recording by an impressive violinist called Bushnov. Has anyone heard of him?) bringing the total number of recordings I have up to 21! (I know Toscha will have about 5 times that, but never mind...) Anyway, I got to get to a rehearsal. Carlo.
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